Just got out of the commerce playing 5/10, would like to analyze my second to last hand.

Hero: $3300
Villian: $2800

utg+2 villian(Lag) raise 40, I am on the button with AQ and reraise to 120, villian calls.

Flop comes AKQ.
Villian check, I bet 140, villian calls.

Turn 7
Villian check, I bet 265, villian calls.

River Q
Villian check, I bet 550 into 1065, villian looks confused, tanked 2-3mins and jammed 2300 back at me.

I was kind of surprised by this move given I got a full-house here. What would you do here?

3 combos of KK, 1 combo of AA both of which should 4bet pre flop, everything else we beat.

Of course call. Sorry you got coolered.

man he ****in rounders'd you?

Your whole range probably wants to bet bigger on all streets.

as played, call. You block AA and QQ. It's rare enough to see KK flat the 3b, that I'm not willing to get mubsy. Anything but calling is bad.

Call Call Call, terrible play if he has AA or KK here. May have KQ or a straight.

He called the clock on me after I tanked for less than a minute. I wasn't happy about that and ended up calling soon after thinking oh well, if you got AA KK , nice trap i'll pay you off.

He asked "AK?" I wanted him to show his hand first, he turned over QJ, I turned over AQ. He exploded , berated me, and calls me a donk while slowrolling him lol. I honestly don't really get his play but oh well.

I'm wondering if we can ever fold in this spot say if the stack size were about 4-5k ish? Thanks for the responses guys.

Even if this was 4 banged pre, I don't see how you would ever fold. As is, definitely don't fold. A set or better is raising the flush draw OTT.

It's a call...I certainly don't snap though. LOL at everything this guy did on the river.

To be fair, you did nitroll him pretty hard. A lag is not going to ever flat a 3b oop in this spot with AA/KK

That's an awful shove by villain there, way too thin given that you have all boats in your range. I think even raising a straight there is too thin on the river, you can easily fold all non-boats and still be fine rangewise, right?

I dont think anyone here is arguing how bad Vilains shove was lol


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Not after the flop and turn play.

Isn't this a very tough spot against a good player? If you are playing solid and don't have a crazy dynamic, your valuerange when you bet three times here is very strong. I think it could be a fold vs many villains, but not against a badish LAG.

you loose to a total of 4 combos all of which should be 4betting pre 100% of the time. Your question is contradicting, in order for us to beat given the action, means that said said villain is making big pre flop mistakes which intern means he or she cannot be a "good player".

As the above poster said, this is literally the easiest spot imaginable vs a good player with properly defined ranges.

Not only are they repping incredibly thin, but they should not even have any of those hands in their range in this spot. There's 1 combo of AA and 3 combos of KK, even if we were to give him all 4 combos playing this way preflop he would only take this line post-flop with exactly AA (and even then he might not check/call check/call check/shove), with kings its a pretty mandatory check-raise on the turn moreso than it'd be for AA -- which would be the bulk of this imaginary value range we're giving him.

Tough spots are where V's both very well have a lot of value hands in their range that beat us and are representing those hands well. This has neither a lot of value hands or the capability to represent those hands.

haha!

This isn't an easy spot vs a good player because a good player is check/raising us on the river here close to zero percent of the time. It's a terrible spot to bluff and it's a terrible spot to jam for thin value. Vs someone who's clicking buttons it's obviously an lol call.

+1 we want to call vs a bad lag here not a solid pro nor a nit

I don't think all good players are 4betting AA KK 100% of time. So some people do, they might not be very good player


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If your not 4betting KK/AA OOP in a 5/10+ game then whats your 4betting range?

If you can put street by street analysis together at the table, you double check your cards to make sure you have queens full of aces and snap.

This is the easiest river spot you are going to see for that money.

It's either a slow roll or you are playing to high $ for your roll/life roll

man games must still be pretty damn soft if this guy shows up with qj here

time bank down to 1 and snap if you have beef vs villain
Other wise hi five the dealer and break your mouse clicking call as fast as possible
In response to vs outburst just type lol move up to where they respect your raises obv

its impossible for you to have the nuts on this board because he blocks quads so solid GTO bluff from villain.......