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08-22-2015 , 03:50 PM
V1 is a solid pro. Has different gears, have probably about 30hrs of play time with him. Tonight it appears as if he is playing a bit tighter than normal, but could be because he's been card dead.

V2 is one of two spots at the game. He will limp or cold call a single raise pre with any two suited or connected. He's not an idiot (but does some pretty dumb things sometimes like bluffing in terrible spots or betting draws in spots he is likely to get raised.) I felted him earlier (eff stacks 1200 at the time) with A8 vs. A6 getting stacks in on 578A

Hero is probably viewed by both as similar to V1, possibly a bit more LAGgy since i've been opening pretty often. I did get caught in a triple earlier in the session, but other than that I almost always have it at showdown in the big-uns.

I'm pretty comfortable at deep 2/5, but not so much at deep 5/10, so I had a few questions here...

V1 opens mp to 35, I flat next to act A8hh, V2 flats BB.

Flop 235hhc (~105)

V2 checks, V1 bets 100, Hero?

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Should we be raising here with 100% of our combo draws with a plan to double? Or triple? (not sure if he would fold river once calling turn so I don't know if triple or double is best) Or can we balance our flatting range here with big draws in order to be able to bluff scare cards in future hands? Plus, potentially keeping V2 in weighs in to the decision here.


Hero calls, V2 calls

Turn 235Thhcc (~405)

V2 checks, V1 bets 275 Hero calls? V2 xr to 550, V1 calls Hero calls?

River 235T5 (~2005)

V2 checks, V1 checks, Hero checks?
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08-22-2015 , 04:11 PM
Big flop bet on that texture makes me feel like he's got a big overpair and he knows he's getting called by draws and smaller over pairs no matter what so might as well bloat the pot. Calling is fine plus it encourages the fish to come along.

Turn and river probably ok though I may turn my hand into a bluff on river depending on what I think of villain
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08-22-2015 , 04:16 PM
Played fine, now check. If the pot were HU I would like a flop raise, but here there's just far too much value in keeping the fish in.

River is weird, you really want to be bluffing vs whatever V1 has, but I doubt V2 is folding a pair ever.
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08-22-2015 , 05:11 PM
Agree with Disko and Renton. Nh.
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08-22-2015 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Renton555
but I doubt V2 or V1 is folding a pair ever.
FYP. This is a fist pump c/c from most of V1s range and hero's chosen line.
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08-23-2015 , 01:58 AM
Pre is fine, 3betting sometimes under certain conditions. Flop is a raise: we have a bunch of sets and some to all (depending on dynamics/history) of the A4s and 64s combos in our range, we are super deep in position, fish isn't folding worse FD anyway, the wheel draw is mostly good for back up, etc, etc. If called, just keep barreling most run outs. That said, calling is prob fine. As played, can only call turn bet and raise, river is a clear check.
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08-23-2015 , 02:56 PM
I think you played it well. Just give up on the river. V1 is never folding an overpair, and V2 can definitely find a way to call with whatever 1 pair he has.
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08-24-2015 , 01:24 AM
I think flop is pretty close but the biggest reason for calling is that we want to keep V1 in the pot. If this were heads up against V1 I think raise/3-barrel would be the line. We aren't repping a whole lot of value on the flop but we are the equity favorite against KK and have phantom outs in the form of the straight that gets there.

I am so tempted to bet $1500 on river because both opponents are capped and we have plenty of 45 and 5x of hearts in our range. Seems like you have a strong image which is in your favor to bluff, but I still think V1 might find this to be a good bluffcatching spot with KK, and not be too worried about V2 behind. Also this line is plenty profitable without having to bluff, so we can check it down and be okay with it.

If we ever do bluff river I wonder if overbet is the move (like $2500) because we are so extremely polarized here and our opponents are both at the bottom of their river calling range if we can confidently put them on 1 pair hands. I never overbet bluff maybe this is a spot to implement it.

Last edited by HH2010; 08-24-2015 at 01:29 AM.
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08-24-2015 , 05:45 AM
Am I the only one folding pre?
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08-24-2015 , 06:01 AM
Plenty of 45 and 5x hands? Dont think ya do
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08-24-2015 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RosaParks
Am I the only one folding pre?

I think it is a little tight with a suited ace 500bb deep with the opener and the BB mark. I guess it depends on which "MP" position it was. I wouldn't fold this hand in the HJ or CO.
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08-24-2015 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RosaParks
Am I the only one folding pre?
yes
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08-24-2015 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RosaParks
Am I the only one folding pre?
Given stack sizes and BB I think calling is fine. No slam dunk though imo.

I think flop and turn are standard and I'd check river
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08-24-2015 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmyvjv13
yes
Fair enough, haha
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08-24-2015 , 06:48 PM
Folding pre is insane. I'd check river.....don't really think we should ever bluff this spot.
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08-25-2015 , 03:53 PM
I think I'd just pile on top of the turn 550. There is almost no chance v1 can continue in the hand and v2 obviously isn't strong and even if he calls it isn't the worst.
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08-31-2015 , 02:49 AM
I'd either play it exactly as you did or I'd raise the 275.
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