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03-23-2017 , 06:26 PM

Jarretman

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2k effective w/ V2 and 840 effective w/ v1

V2 is really good reg

V1 is tilted drunkish rec player. Not much history. He seems prone to blowups. Doesn't like to fold preflop if he's already put money in. Not crazy aggressive so far but not passive either.

V2 opens MP to $35, V1 calls, hero OTB w/ JsJh raises to $145, both call.

Flop is QT7r $450, both Vs check and hero checks

Turn is 7s bringing backdoor spades, V2 checks, V1 jams instantly for $700, hero?

V1s preflop calling range is very wide, like 40%ish and he probably folds close to none of that to the 3bet

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03-23-2017 , 07:11 PM

lolposting2016

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fold

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03-23-2017 , 08:51 PM

jvds

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fold

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03-24-2017 , 03:09 PM

rbenuck4

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You block spades and straight draws. Fold and feel pretty good about it. I think it's actually closer with A10 than it is with your exact hand.

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03-24-2017 , 06:14 PM

Minatorr

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A10 I call for sure.

It's close with JJ since you block bluffing candidates, but I'd probably call.

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03-27-2017 , 10:24 PM

Jarretman

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Bleh, we both folded and villain showed 55

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03-28-2017 , 06:33 AM

adam levine

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I was leaning towards call, before i saw result. Would extremely good player ever check twice and miss value from whale with anything less than a boat here?....To the rec. it looks like you have Ak and missed the flop and turn and are hoping for a showdown.

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03-28-2017 , 10:20 AM

diskoteque

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I've learned over the years to just fold in these spots. It's marginal and this villain will likely give you more straightforward opportunities to take his cash later in the night

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03-28-2017 , 10:51 AM

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Is flop check standard?

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03-28-2017 , 02:32 PM

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Jarretman

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Originally Posted by diskoteque

I've learned over the years to just fold in these spots. It's marginal and this villain will likely give you more straightforward opportunities to take his cash later in the night

This was kinda my thought process.

Side note; villain got stacked and left to go play roulette like 3 hands later, hah

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Originally Posted by pgcounty

Is flop check standard?

Good question. Maybe flop bet is better. I think the problem is what are we really getting value from? Tx/maybe 7x from villain and draws I guess. It's nice if they both fold their equity because any Kx/Ax hand has decent equity, but we also block a lot of the hands we really would like to protect/charge

Was planning to call down turns and maybe rivers but villains overshove kinda threw me off.

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03-29-2017 , 12:30 AM

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Minatorr

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Originally Posted by diskoteque

I've learned over the years to just fold in these spots. It's marginal and this villain will likely give you more straightforward opportunities to take his cash later in the night

Haha quite the opposite is for me. I make a lot of more marginal calls now (which are more correct than wrong), especially in spots where value hands dont make sense. I don't like getting bluffed, and being a hero always feels good when you're right

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03-29-2017 , 12:32 AM

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Minatorr

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For those who said fold, what kind of value hand do you expect him to have?? I expect a lot of bluffs here, but as I said earlier it's closer since we block Js and KJ/J9s, but I would have still called.

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03-29-2017 , 03:25 AM

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soah

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Originally Posted by diskoteque

I've learned over the years to just fold in these spots. It's marginal and this villain will likely give you more straightforward opportunities to take his cash later in the night

eh we actually have a pretty good hand in this spot though, and I dunno what the dynamics in live games are like but online when you see an overbet shove from a donk after having shown weakness it's almost never a strong hand

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03-29-2017 , 08:09 AM

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SetzerG

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Originally Posted by rbenuck4

You block spades and straight draws. Fold and feel pretty good about it. I think it's actually closer with A10 than it is with your exact hand.

smart guy here. This

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03-29-2017 , 10:29 AM

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Ime overbets in live poker are the nuts

Anyway I agree it's a close spot either way. I guess my point is that I've gotten comfortable playing suboptimally and making marginally -EV decisions in order to limit my variance since I'm only seeing 30 hands an hour and don't play for a living. Guys like this will happily get it in drawing dead next orbit anyway.

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03-29-2017 , 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by diskoteque

Yes, but it's not like you're playing heads up and get all their action to yourself. Only getting to play 30 hands an hour with a player like this should make you more inclined to get involved in spots you think are marginal since they really don't come up very often full ring.

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03-29-2017 , 12:30 PM

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It's also an easy call btw. You do block some of his bluff hands, but you also block a portion of his value (QJ/J7s), and this line is going to be FOS very often. You are also at the top of your range except for a set of queens or AT or like 78s if you have that pre. A lot of your range is going to be air/AK

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03-31-2017 , 01:55 PM

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soah

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Originally Posted by diskoteque

Ime overbets in live poker are the nuts

with this opponent description?

and in this type of spot where it looks like no one has anything and he could easily get all his money in by making a normal size bet?

it would also be true to say that overbets online are usually the nuts but I'm being a lot more specific than that

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04-01-2017 , 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by isunkurbttlship

I'm sorry but I don't see how we're at the "top of our range" here. AA, KK, QQ, TT are all better and definitely in our 3bet range. AK and 99 are the only hands <JJ I think we 3bet vs. a "really good reg". How often do we really have "air" in this spot that isn't AK?

Maybe my 3bet range is way too tight, but I doubt its profitable to 3b 77+ATs or even 88+AQo vs. a good reg and a drunk station. Let me know if I'm way off here. New to the forum.

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04-01-2017 , 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by the_dude_174

I'm sorry but I don't see how we're at the "top of our range" here. AA, KK, QQ, TT are all better

Did you forget I checked back flop?

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04-02-2017 , 10:33 AM

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bigger pre. fold

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04-05-2017 , 11:55 PM

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Probably shrug toss in a chip. AT being better to call is a good point though.

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