table is newly created with a good mix of tight, aggressive, and passive players. Prior to this hand, I've won 3 hands with only 1 show down (AK squeezed on button and 3-street valued a passive player on A high board, passive player had A4 ).

On to this hand:

UTG (1k): Same passive player with A4 limped.

MP (1.4k): Villain, unknown, old white guy, limped. No history so far. I noticed he limp call alot though

CO (1.5k): Aggressive youngster, good player , squeezed VERY often with wide range, raised to $50

BT (800): tight passive player, quickly called $50

SB *Hero (1.8k): Viewed as TAG, young Asian guy, woke up with AhQc. Seems that this hand is ahead of most players's range, I decided to squeeze and look for chance to get a few folds since we are OOP. Hero raised to $180 (sizing too small I think ).

The BB and UTG folded quickly. To my surprise, Villain in MP called with little thoughts. CO and BT folded as well. Alarm started to go off in my head that he has a big pair or AK AQ type of hand. Heads up to the flop:

Flop ($500) Qs 8s 3c
Hero c-bet $250. Villain called without much thought.

Turn ($1000) Qs 8s 3c 8h
Hero fired $405. Villain went all in for $900
Should I check fold here? Is this bet burning money? Can you guys help me on this spot?

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I'm not a great player. Some light bulbs went off for me about the importance of position while i was reading this.

This has to be a call getting better than 3 to 1.

Hand seems standard. V ez call now. Sorry u lost

You both say to call but it's because of amazing 4:1 odd. But what hand can we beat here? And if I check the turn, should I fold facing a shove ?

Given the Villain action preflop and flop, I think he has KK AA QQ way more often than making this move with JJ TT AK AQ.

thoughts?

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With villains image why are you barreling turn, especially after he snaps your flop bet. You put yourself in a tough spot.

I know. But again, the question is weather I'm calling a shove if I check that turn card. He could be shoving with wider range like JJ TT AQ for protection.
Another question I'd like to ask: what if Hero and Villain are deeper, which line would you take on the turn and brick river?

I ended up folding after taking for 3 minutes based on little live read.


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BTW, I just realized that my original post was incorrect, in which there's no flush draw on the flop: 8h on flop, 8s on turn. That might take a way AsKs and other flush draw straight draw combo (which I don't think it's in his range )

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Little bigger pre and otf and we can just rip most turns ourselves. Calling now.

Folding given these odds seems like a pretty huge mistake. People do stupid **** sometimes, and you'd think with AA or KK he would 4bet a lot pre given the player behind him so he's not repping much that beats you.

Ez turn value bet. I 100% want to play for stacks here usually bb/s
Not in love w r crai but folding now isn't happening w tptk in 3b pot where he reps nothing and limp calls

i assume you're posting bc you lost here but i've seen tons of crappy passive preflop players show up with kq jq etc in this spot (or similarly dominated tp hands)

if i check the turn it's not to fold

more pre
less OTF (proportionally)
call now

more pre, like 220-260

on flop spr is 2.3, so you should be sizing either for 2 or 3 streets to get all in (don't like a check, either b/b/shove or b/shove. you picked a weird middle ground with your flop and turn sizing so you put yourself in this annoying spot. as played call

fwiw vs the described villian i would think b/b/shove > b/shove

Well, the guy later moved next to my seat and whispered into my ear: "I had Kings that hand"

I usually sigh call, but given the read and the action, I think I did a correct fold. In this case he's not too deep, but if he has 1k more, this is a clear fold for me.

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I'd check/stuff turn.

agree with bigger pre. wouldn't expect someone to l/c QQ+, but its definitely much more likely the way the action went down with an open and 3b. If there was a single open with no 3b its much more likely he is l/rr