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10-09-2016 , 06:49 AM
Villain is a serious rec. He plays loose/agro both preflop and postflop. Seen him 3bet small hands like 86ss when the spot opened to isolate him. Also seen him overbet for value on 337 Q 6 board when he thought his oponent had a 3. He can hand read pretty effectively and seems pretty solid for the most part.

Hero and villain have played before. Hero has had it every single time when villain has been playing with him and thinks of hero as "Mr Nuts" has it every time. He respects my game but think I am on the tighter side.

Hero is on the straddle

OTTH

V $75 on BTN, Hero call from straddle 77 $1,500 eff

Flop ($165): A56
H check, Villain $90, H call

Turn ($350): 4
H check, Villain $260, Hero (call, raise $800, fold?)

Evaluate the 3 options given dynamics and history.
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10-09-2016 , 08:19 AM
Seems like a quite easy shove to me.
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10-09-2016 , 08:23 AM
You have 1500 eff.

OTT u have 1335 left, I would put a raise of 680 OTT to show him that money is getting in and shove any river except A (ppls tend to call with trips even if it does not change the value of their hand vs us)
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10-09-2016 , 08:46 AM
Depends what hands you want to balance your turn shove range with but this has to be a reasonable candidate.
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10-09-2016 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by tremblingco
Seems like a quite easy shove to me.
You think jaming 1350$ over a 260$ bet is better then a raise to 800?
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10-09-2016 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by day'n'night
You think jaming 1350$ over a 260$ bet is better then a raise to 800?
It's not like you should ever raise to 800 and fold to a shove.
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10-09-2016 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by thorfather
It's not like you should ever raise to 800 and fold to a shove.

I was talking in terms of how villain would perceive a 800 raise versus a 1350 raise allin
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10-09-2016 , 03:23 PM
Stacks are annoying because any raise is committinh but stilll if we shove 55, 66 and 77, AK/AQ has a decision to make and FDs should fold.

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10-12-2016 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by day'n'night
I was talking in terms of how villain would perceive a 800 raise versus a 1350 raise allin
depends how your villain views you
some villains will perceive a shove here as 67hh/A7 and just call off with AK
for other villains it's better to x/r to $550/jam rivers

given stack sizes if we're not jamming turn i prefer smaller x/r to maximize fold equity on river. if we x/r to $800, villain might just make crying call on river getting great odds
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10-17-2016 , 05:12 AM
I think you're probably better off semi-bluff raising with higher equity hands than this. Basically Xh8h Xh7h Xh3h and similar along with your 87 combos. I think when you only rep one hand you are going to need more equity to make a profitable bluff.

This hand, along with 8h8, plays a more suitable role as a c/c hand that donk leads on hearts.
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10-17-2016 , 01:55 PM
crai seems ok/pretty good ott
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10-17-2016 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Renton555
I think you're probably better off semi-bluff raising with higher equity hands than this. Basically Xh8h Xh7h Xh3h and similar along with your 87 combos. I think when you only rep one hand you are going to need more equity to make a profitable bluff.

This hand, along with 8h8, plays a more suitable role as a c/c hand that donk leads on hearts.
What sizing to you advocate with donk leading hearts? I ask bc I have been trying to open up my "turn my hand into a bluff game" otr more as one of my main focus points and I just do not get folds. It's kind of opened my eyes to how thin I can value bet actually.

I have also been durrr'ing rivers with much better results (over bet raising/jamming over villain leads) but question the longterm EV as these lines need to be successful a heck of a lot of the time.
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10-18-2016 , 12:07 AM
3/4 pot or something. It's not really an overbet spot, as you can both easily have the flush.
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10-18-2016 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
What sizing to you advocate with donk leading hearts? I ask bc I have been trying to open up my "turn my hand into a bluff game" otr more as one of my main focus points and I just do not get folds. It's kind of opened my eyes to how thin I can value bet actually.

I have also been durrr'ing rivers with much better results (over bet raising/jamming over villain leads) but question the longterm EV as these lines need to be successful a heck of a lot of the time.
most folks in live full ring games dont like to fold so you can exploit this by underbluffing and value betting very large sizings. the only reason to bluff gto wise is so your opponents cant exploit you by folding to all of your value bets. But since this is almost never the problem (live droolers will just look at their hand and your big bet and be like drool i call) then the exploit to this is fairly obvious.
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10-18-2016 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
(live droolers will just look at their hand and your big bet and be like drool i call) then the exploit to this is fairly obvious.
Dude for whatever reason this just got me good, had to step away from my desk I was giggling so hard.

I get that exploit and belive me I like never bluff, but I'm sure you're familiar with ******ed 1/4 pot block bets / leads from villains on scare card rivers, but as you say you can bomb and they still sigh call. Lately I've been more than bombing with good results. Most of the time I just try to have it tho
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10-18-2016 , 03:09 PM
Well, in this case, it's more a matter of not being able to play your hand vs a bet without some bluffing EV to count on. If the guy's a drooler betting a strong range on the turn, then simply fold and move on to the next hand.
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