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06-06-2017 , 09:31 AM

Curryboy

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Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 155

20 Strd: loose passive fish
HJ: Reg semi pro, has a range of tighter to looser preflop but just sat down.

Hero rz ep with T

to 75(5k), HJ flat (1.4k), 20 strd(3k).

8

Strd check, Hero bet 130, HJ call and strd fold.

Turn 6

Hero...

What's your turn/riv line including any sizing. Cheers

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06-06-2017 , 01:09 PM

pgcounty

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Starting with a check.

Deciding what to do depending on the bet sizing.

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06-06-2017 , 02:14 PM

lolposting2016

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Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 2,149

id go ahead and bet here. you need some bluffs and youll have some 5x and you still have clean outs to the nuts. 80% or a little more...

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06-06-2017 , 06:10 PM

Jarretman

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If table is FR and we're UTG or UTG+1 then we don't really have that many 5x but yeah we still have some so I like choosing this hand as one of the hands to bluff with. I like betting turn and c/f river unimproved.

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06-06-2017 , 06:51 PM

soah

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I wouldn't expect many folds on this turn card and we beat absolutely nothing, so if I think the guy will check back with a lot of his range then I might just check and hope for a free card (and fold to any bet of reasonable size, calling if it's a tiny bet). Otherwise I'd bet, probably on the smaller side as sort of a blocking bet and usually giving up on the river unless it's something like the Kc which shrinks my bluffing range a lot.

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06-06-2017 , 11:33 PM

Minatorr

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Would just check entire range here. Calling a turn bet

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06-07-2017 , 02:36 AM

johnyarmless

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Originally Posted by Curryboy

has a range of tighter to looser preflop but

What exactly does that mean?
Also, how do you know that if he just sat down? If you played with him already, would you have some more detailed info?

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06-07-2017 , 07:12 AM

Curryboy

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Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 155

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Originally Posted by johnyarmless

What exactly does that mean?
Also, how do you know that if he just sat down? If you played with him already, would you have some more detailed info?

Hey, sorry I meant he can sometimes play looser pre flop and sometimes tighten up. He had just joined this game in which I was already playing so I didn't have much info yet on how he was playing today.

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06-07-2017 , 03:15 PM

pilliapina

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 490

Seems like betting bigger on the flop is better. You'd want to bet larger with your value bets vs the fish, and betting smaller here with a draw can give something away to the reg. On this wet of a board vs loose passive fish, surely you'd like to get at least 3/4 pot with value??

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06-08-2017 , 08:31 AM

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Curryboy

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Originally Posted by pilliapina

Good point. I do not think the semi reg is thinking that deeply about sizing though and the fish in strd was bad and deep enough that I wanted to keep his range as wide as possible to include gs, over cards, Ax.

I think this is a good point with a better player in the middle though.

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06-09-2017 , 11:24 AM

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UsedToBeGood

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I think it's a spot where we can be checking majority of our range, but have a small value bet/bluff range. We should have A5s, T9s, and 55 in our range for value (14 combos, but we probably want to check some 5's to have some straights). So maybe we have 10 value combos.

I think what we have is one of our better bluff combos, because we have equity + a blocker to the nuts. So we can bet our spade/clubs Tx and 9x on this turn as a bluff. Not sure if its completely balanced but feels reasonable. Suppose it's possible villain will think it's hard for us to have value, so will way overbluff/overcall if we bet, and we can exploitatively just bet our value.

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06-11-2017 , 04:53 AM

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Ibreakgames

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Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 39

If you check its with the intention to check/raise. You have around 60% equity with two overs, a gut shot and a good flush draw. He may peel with one pair and an overcard kicker, the naked As, two pair waiting for a turn raise which you can 3-bet, etc.

BTW i'd check the river with the intention of calling a smaall. to average bet

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06-11-2017 , 02:39 PM

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smokingrobot

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you might want to check your maths, 60% might be a tad hyperbole

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08-10-2017 , 01:23 PM

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solidmussel

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I would check whole range here OOP in a live game. Wouldn't you check / call a hand like QQ here? Not sure what you're trying to rep by betting. Yeah, you might have a 5x in your range, but it's not very believable or likely.

You can check/call turn and lead good rivers.

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08-18-2017 , 07:12 AM

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TEAMTYNEZ

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I'd bet 220-240 ish ott and probably empty the clip on any non club river

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08-18-2017 , 10:56 AM

#16

diskoteque

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I'm checking almost always and checkraising some % of the time.

It's such a great card for villains call flop range. His 2p/sd pick up equity and if he somehow didn't pick up equity good villains are going to continue anyway with the plan to pounce on badrivers /hero weakness generally. I just don't think we get enough folds here to justify betting.

I suppose you could blast off and try to rep a monster in order to get him off 2p or something but that's way overambitious imo

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08-26-2017 , 10:45 PM

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lolposting2016

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yea also forgot we block 9/10 which is rly nice for us to be going for a b/b/b line and ip shouldn't have many straights

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