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Old 04-11-2012, 10:35 AM   #1
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5/10/20 live, three barrel bluff $3250 deep

Nine handed at the Lucky Chances casino in San Francisco.

There is a $20 live straddle.

Archeologist limps from the lojack. Hijack limps. SB limps.

I have T2 in the BB and I limp.

The straddle uses his preflop option to bet $50 into a $100 pot. Everyone calls.

FLOP (5 players, $350 pot): AA3

SB checks. I bet $250. Straddle folds. Archeologist tanks for fifteen seconds and calls. Everyone else folds.

TURN (2 players, $850 pot): T

I bet $550. Archeologist tanks for twenty seconds and hurls his chips into the middle, his hand slapping the table loudly, seemingly making an angry or frustrated gesture.

RIVER (2 players, $1950 pot): 2

I shove for $2400 effective.

For the two hours prior to this hand, I have been playing like a maniac: Playing about 95% of my hands, and raising about 40% of the time preflop. I have also been very aggressive post-flop, firing a 2/3rds pot bet on the flop about 65% of the time when first to act or when checked to. My sizings have been consistent and large: 2/3rds pot on the flop and turn, and 4/3rds pot on the river. I've been winning a LOT of pots without getting to showdown, and I've shown down a lot of strange garbage holdings, bluffs and loose calls. I've been firing two barrels a lot, and three barrels perhaps four or five times. I suspect that the table thinks I am tilted or insane (actually, they probably think I'm pretty crazy even when I play like a nit), and they have adjusted by calling down much lighter on all streets. Despite my preflop aggression, most flops are multi-way, with 4 or more players to the flop being typical.

Archeologist is a 5/10 and 10/20 reg. He looks like he's 50+ or maybe even 60+, but he's aged very well. He looks smart, sharp and alpha. He's always paying close attention to the action and never looks bored. He looks like a retired millionaire entrepreneur or high level tech manager or something. I think he takes poker pretty seriously, even though he probably doesn't care about the money. I think he raises more than average preflop.

Comments on all streets appreciated, but the turn and river are what interest me the most.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:22 AM   #2
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Re: 5/10/20 live, three barrel bluff $3250 deep

in a vacuum, it's not a bad spot to bluff but considering your image (maniac) and his image (rich guy who doesn't care about money, perceptive and probably notices you're a maniac) this is a recipe for disaster.
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Old 04-11-2012, 01:57 PM   #3
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Re: 5/10/20 live, three barrel bluff $3250 deep

Do the opposite of what you did on every street
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Old 04-11-2012, 02:24 PM   #4
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Do the opposite of what you did on every street
And thread over. Op...How do u still have money?
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Old 04-11-2012, 04:49 PM   #6
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Re: 5/10/20 live, three barrel bluff $3250 deep

Why is he called "Archeologist" if you think he is a retired entrepreneur? Was he decked out in full Indiana Jones attire or something?
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Old 04-11-2012, 04:57 PM   #7
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Re: 5/10/20 live, three barrel bluff $3250 deep

Does anyone have a pic of someone lighting money on fire? Your options after calling preflop on this board are pretty simple, c/fold or fire 1 bullet. I wouldn't try this play with a nitty image, and you don't even have that going for you.
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Old 04-11-2012, 05:17 PM   #8
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Re: 5/10/20 live, three barrel bluff $3250 deep

Assuming you were forced to take this line, would you rather be perceived as a maniac or as a nit? It seems to me that the maniac image is actually superior in this particular spot on the river, because the maniac has flushes in his range and the nit does not.

Sure, it also means that I have a bit more air in my range, but even total maniacs almost never make this kind of play with air, right?

This is a serious question. Which image would you rather have when you shove the river, nitty or maniac?
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Def. nit, as by taking the lead on the river you should never have trips. As a maniac you have so many more bluffs. A real nit would bet river with boats only. As a maniac you are betting your entire range of naked aces to boats and bluffs.
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Also, against a nit, Archeologist will probably fold his weak aces on the turn. But against a maniac, he'd probably float the turn and fold the river. Which is another reason why I think a maniac image is actually better in this spot on the river.
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Also, against a nit, Archeologist will probably fold his weak aces on the turn. But against a maniac, he'd probably float the turn and fold the river. Which is another reason why I think a maniac image is actually better in this spot.
Float the turn with an ace and then fold to maniac? Or float with air? Do amateurs really float with air here?
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Float the turn with an ace and then fold to maniac? Or float with air? Do amateurs really float with air here?
Sorry, I shouldn't have used the word "float." I did not mean to imply that I think Archeologist has anything less than trips on the river.

If you were Archeologist, what is the bottom of your calling range, on this river? Do you call with A9? I don't think I would even call with AK, personally.
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would love to see these results.
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Sorry, I shouldn't have used the word "float." I did not mean to imply that I think Archeologist has anything less than trips here.

If you were Archeologist, what is the bottom of your calling range, on this river? Do you call with A9?
bottom of calling range is probably ace-rag, but if he's as perceptive as you claim i wouldn't be shocked to see a PP make a hero call.
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Also, against a nit, Archeologist will probably fold his weak aces on the turn. But against a maniac, he'd probably float the turn and fold the river. Which is another reason why I think a maniac image is actually better in this spot on the river.
you have a maniac image yet you lead the flop? on the turn you were betting for value? I mean Im fine with c/r flop if u have a nitty image, but given your image all streets make no sense.
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