Game has been playing craaaaaaazy. About 1/4 of all pots end up with someone all in, and not for short stacks either. Very few flops go less than 4 or 5 way for a raise, and a lot of the action is being initiated by the 3rd wheel in this pot, who we'll call villain #1.

He is super loose and relatively passive preflop, and does not like to go anywhere once he's caught a piece of the board. He's a little tricky and it's tough to put him on a hand, as I've seen him limp call multiway preflop with QQ and AK prior to this.

The amateur is villain #2, and he has been playing very snug, but when he's in a pot, he's very aggressive postflop, but very passive preflop. He's a middle aged white guy who has never played at this casino before, and based off of some of his questions and comments, does not play much at all.

We played a hand the first orbit where I raised UTG with A10s, 5 players called including him out of the BB (before we were straddling). He then c/r me on a A 10 x rainbow flop, I smooth called, he bet 300 on the offsuit J turn and I went all in for 340 more and he folded what he said was AK when he was getting about 6 to 1 on his money, though he didn't actually show. He asked me what I had and I told him the truth. Since then he's played super snug. He doubled up on a hand where he again flatted AK in the straddle, and flopped trip kings and got it all in vs aces and held. I don't think I've seen him play another significant hand since.

I have about 3200 to start the hand, villain #1 has me covered, villain #2 has a little over 1500.

My image is probably LAG, but other than 1 hand where I made a goofy play with T3o and was good at showdown, I haven't shown down any crap.

Preflop, 4 limpers, I make it 150 out of the SB with QQ, villain #1 calls in MP, and villain #2 calls on button.

Pot is about 500

Flop is J 7 5 rainbow

I bet 250, villain #1 calls, villain #2 raises to 685. I call (I think this is going to be the big part of the discussion), villain #1 folds

Pot is about 2000

Turn is A putting 2 spades up there, we have the Q if that makes any difference

Check check

River is an offsuit 4 and villain has about 700 left.

I bet 400 for value. Thoughts on all streets appreciated.

Not sure why we spent time describing V1 when he is pretty much irrelevant to this hand Kinda confusing but no biggie.

Overall I like the line, but river was the tough spot for me, not the flop.

I struggled with this because I kept going back to your reads for V1 when I was thinking about V2's preflop range. But I don't see how any reasonable person overlimps KK or even AJ on the button.

Based on the background hand histories, I am never folding to the flop raise. 3bet would be an overplay in this spot. However I am suspicious because people might raise TPTK here, but not TP2K, especially when the board is so dry.

When the turn checks through, at least we can pretty much eliminate 77/55. At this point I am putting V on 57s (2 combos), KJo (12 combos, arguably discounted because he raised flop) and AJ (9 combos, arguably discounted because he limped pre). You said he has been "super snug" so even 57s should be a stretch, let alone J7/J5s.

On the river, I am greedy bastard when it comes to value and would make the same type of bet here. However it is very thin based on the combo work above.

If you think V is ever raising flop with KJ then river is bet/crying call. If V should have AJ in his BTN opening range, then river is a bet/crying call. If neither of this, then his range is strongly weighted to AJ and the river is a check fold.

I'd probably just go allin on river

flop call is fine, in case vilain #1 was slowplaying a huge hand, after vilain #1 folds, hand plays by itself imo.

Your flop sizing is fine if it reps you some weak hands on this flop (and I think it does). 100% min 3b though imo. Your calling range has zero bluffs in it obv and everyone gets to play perfectly against you on turn and river.

Disclaimer: I was on the phone with ATT losing my mind when I read the hh and there might be some stuff in the descriptions I missed that change things .

Pre seems small.

Flop seems like a very standard 3-bet considering your hand is somewhat vulnerable and the board can run out a few ways that will cause you not to stack a jack if you just call. He's only got 1500... Even folding out his gutshot or middle pair / whatever is a coup if he has no intention of bluffing off his last 700 with it once you call.

On the river with only 700 left, I do not see valid choices besides shove and check. I guess I would probably check call since I think he's more likely to have nothing and bluff shove than he is to call your shove with JT or whatever.

I actually like min 3bet flop, did not think of that. Obviously that makes it easier to get stacks in on river as well.

However as played in my opinion against an "amateur" a smaller bet on the river will get more calls from weaker Jacks than a shove all in with an Ace on the board. I dont think he is thinking of it from a pot odds perspective so psychologically all-in seems much stronger than a bet of 400 or so.

Only problem with betting small is that if he shoves we are always beat but pretty much have to call.

If we check I think this opponent is bluffing 0 percent of the type and we have to fold. AJ is a massive part of his flop raising range and I don't think check/fold river is a terrible move in the first place.