5-10-20 (I can't think right now)
12-11-2014
, 05:54 PM
12-11-2014
, 09:24 PM
Yep - from the spoiler I gather DGAF called V2's raise, V1 shoved with a pair and a draw, V2 called with two pair (hands could be reversed), and DGAF called.
Hope not, but from the title it sounds like a bad river.
Hope not, but from the title it sounds like a bad river.
12-12-2014
, 12:58 AM
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so jamming turn when v2 raises was better? if v2 has 2pairs in his raising range he's never folding to a jam, and v1 hero calls thin all day, seems like too many river cards will bring a halt to action one way or another by just calling turn.
not trying to be results oriented or anything, but trying to figure out if a call or jam on initial turn raise is best. obviously folding is not an option at this point but it becomes one if we just call and get to river 3way with stacks left behind. and i dont ever want to fold to these described villains.
if calling or jamming turn is close, jamming seems to make life easier. whats more likely, that your turn call induced v1's jam or v1 calls off your turn jam with any J+gutter? either way i hope u held.
not trying to be results oriented or anything, but trying to figure out if a call or jam on initial turn raise is best. obviously folding is not an option at this point but it becomes one if we just call and get to river 3way with stacks left behind. and i dont ever want to fold to these described villains.
if calling or jamming turn is close, jamming seems to make life easier. whats more likely, that your turn call induced v1's jam or v1 calls off your turn jam with any J+gutter? either way i hope u held.
12-12-2014
, 01:17 AM
12-13-2014
, 04:13 PM
12-13-2014
, 06:09 PM
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a few things:
I love your 3b preflop, but that flop texture always gets peeled so wide by those two villains that I hate your sizing on the flop.
The turn betsize is debatable, but I actually like betting smaller here because even tho v1 and 2 suck at poker, it keeps the pot protected for the river since turn action either goes call/call or some fold/call so often, and it gives you another street to outplay both of them. Although it is counter intuitive relative to what I'm telling you to do on the flop, the T
gives them a lot new 2p equity, and pair + gutter equity. A lot of this equity now will go three streets, so I want to keep the weakest parts of their range still in, and try to go for 3 streets of value.
As played, I'm just calling here. I think it keeps your range widest, and let's v1 put in chips drawing to 6-9outs, and since he's moby dick, he might even ship some super small % of the time and you get to play for 24k where all of your outs are clean. Playing OOP here sucks balls, but you're the professional in this spot, and just navigate the mystery card river imo.
I love your 3b preflop, but that flop texture always gets peeled so wide by those two villains that I hate your sizing on the flop.
The turn betsize is debatable, but I actually like betting smaller here because even tho v1 and 2 suck at poker, it keeps the pot protected for the river since turn action either goes call/call or some fold/call so often, and it gives you another street to outplay both of them. Although it is counter intuitive relative to what I'm telling you to do on the flop, the T
gives them a lot new 2p equity, and pair + gutter equity. A lot of this equity now will go three streets, so I want to keep the weakest parts of their range still in, and try to go for 3 streets of value.As played, I'm just calling here. I think it keeps your range widest, and let's v1 put in chips drawing to 6-9outs, and since he's moby dick, he might even ship some super small % of the time and you get to play for 24k where all of your outs are clean. Playing OOP here sucks balls, but you're the professional in this spot, and just navigate the mystery card river imo.
12-13-2014
, 06:28 PM
12-13-2014
, 09:13 PM