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Old 05-12-2017, 10:47 AM   #1
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5-10-20 bluff catching

Hero is likely viewed as spewy, able to call down way light. Villain's are both the worst players at the table. They are waaaaay too loose. Villain #1 probably has a bit more situational awareness, but it can't make up for his poor preflop decisions. Villain #2 has no positional awareness. He will lead out no matter what the preflop action is with any of his hands that hit, and is really sticky. Villain #1 has 3000, Villain #2 has 2500, hero covers.

Preflop. Villain #2 limps in UTG, hero makes it 100 from MP (raises in this game are slightly larger than usual so this is a fairly standard raise) with AQ, Villain #1 calls from button, blinds fold, Villain #2 calls.

My range for both players are pretty much ATC that are remotely connected minus all premium hands.

Pot is 335

Flop is Q65

Checked to me, I bet 175, both players call

Pot is 860

Turn is K

Checked around

River is J

Checked to villain #1, he bets 625, villain #2 folds, it's on me.
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Old 05-12-2017, 02:27 PM   #2
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Re: 5-10-20 bluff catching

bet the turn, call the river
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Old 05-12-2017, 03:02 PM   #3
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Re: 5-10-20 bluff catching

fold, because its a terrible run out for your specific hand. you should be able to have some straights/flushes/2p/Kx. Not a lot of reason to be calling with 2nd pair when you have so many better hands, but you could make the argument for calling AsQx

also turn X is good. they can both have plenty of Kx in their range so its a pretty awful card especially multiway, and you have too much SDV to turn hand into bluff
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Old 05-13-2017, 11:25 AM   #4
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Re: 5-10-20 bluff catching

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fold, because its a terrible run out for your specific hand. you should be able to have some straights/flushes/2p/Kx. Not a lot of reason to be calling with 2nd pair when you have so many better hands, but you could make the argument for calling AsQx

also turn X is good. they can both have plenty of Kx in their range so its a pretty awful card especially multiway, and you have too much SDV to turn hand into bluff


What Kx hands do they have in their range?

Let's give the villains half the KQ combos because UTG will mostly not limp with it pre and BTN will 3b sometimes.

So those plus + KXhh?

That being said I don't think checking behind is awful if we intend to bluffcatch river but it's certainly not my preferred approach here.

River call is close, can go either way tbh. Very villain dependent (and whether or not I'm stuck )
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Old 05-13-2017, 02:36 PM   #5
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Re: 5-10-20 bluff catching

checking turn is really, really bad. id consider betting river with more info on villains; as played, call.

also, how do you square your read on V2 that he will bet out from any position when he hits with the fact that he x/c flop and checked turn+river?
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Old 05-15-2017, 12:41 AM   #6
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Re: 5-10-20 bluff catching

how is checking turn rly rly bad wat are u talking about
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Old 05-15-2017, 02:39 PM   #7
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how is checking turn rly rly bad wat are u talking about

both villains are terrible, straightforward, and loose, and hero has a spewy image - i don't really understand why you think checking would even be close? can you expand on that?
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