2/5

stacks
hero- 570
V1- covers
V2 - 250ish
V3 -300
rest of table - 200-600

reads
Hero- seen as very aggressive but semi solid player isn't afraid to bet big/call big

V1- calling station who is very optimistic with most hands, calls with just about anything preflop (called me for 8xbb open with 85o UTG etc) but isn't a complete clown will fold if he has complete air

V2- seemed to be solid at the start but then started to see some very strange plays with his raises

V3-pretty standard ABC player, very easy to read when he starts betting on his range, can fold when facing big bets or playing for stacks, bit of a Ace master



The hand
5 limps
V2 in the CO who raise to 25 (V2 been raising just about every 2nd or 3rd hand, He went to showdown a few time, sometimes with a standard hand other times some random cards.
once when he hit running ace when he was betting with a flush draw, other times doing massive check/raises pre with AJo so really couldn't put him on a range here so went with 99+/ATs+) doesn't seem to be positionally aware
V2 (SB)- calls
Hero (BB)- T8 calls (I was 50/50 on what to do here I am leaning towards a fold , I know I will be OOP the whole hand which makes this hand very hard to play, I am really hoping to get go up against the SB as most of the table is pretty short stacked)
V3 - calls in MP
1 caller next too V3 calls

FLOP A87
SB checks
Hero checks (I expect the PFR to cbet here as he has done it near 100% of the time, my plan was the check raise then bet most turns)
V3- Donks out 65
V2 - folds
V1- calls
Hero- raises 215 (I range V3 on Ax when he donks out as it is a very,very big leak of his when he does it, He does do it with set/draws occasionally but heavily weighted towards Ax,I am feeling quite comfortable that he can fold most weak Aces,The only problem is if he shoves I am only really drawing to the flush draw as I feel my second pair isn't usually going to be good here)
V3- tanks folds
V1- calls (At this point am ranging him on Ax,I think he would raised if 2Pair/set the only problems here is after calling this I know he is never folding)
Turn 6
SB checks
Hero ????? ( I only had about 320ish left and dont really know what the best play is here, while I do have a massive hand, I am behind V1 here and that IF I bet he will be calling it off is it better to take the free card and hope to get to showdown cheaply or just bet and ride the variance train?

I just spent more time reading the HH, sorting out who is who, what position everyone is in, and how much the pot is...than I did deciding what I would do. You wont get very many responses with a HH this confusing.

Agreed you also have two V2s pre.

Fold pre. T8s plays badly out of position.

As played, I prefer a call on the flop. Now take the free card. You already said he's not folding. Sure you picked up some more equity, but you are almost always behind. The reason it's called a semi bluff is because it's still a bluff.

Fyi: you didn't pick up more equity on the turn. You picked up more outs. You were something like a coin flip on the flop and 2:1 dog on the turn.


So you say you have no FE but never have the best hand. I don't see how this is a question then. Betting would be spew. Try to hit your draw.

Yes on equity on turn. Should have said more outs.

Regardless original point stands, check back. Don't bluff people you say are always calling.

Fold pre. I'd prefer to call flop. When I do decide to c/r flop with pair+draw/combo draw hands, I'm usually following it up by bombing the turn (especially when we pick up a few more outs). If your read is that you have no FE though, then there's no reason to stick the rest of our stack in here. Check and hope to hit OTR.

3b pre.

Call flop. Not sure why you're trying to get a donk to fold top pair.

AP, check it back.

If you know he isn't folding there isn't much you can do but check OTT and hope he checks behind. Maybe call a reasonable sized turn bet and fold to a shove. IMO I would have just called the flop and donked any T, 8, or club turn. Seems like the most profitable, low variance line against this type of sticky villain.

We have position, though I know it's hard to tell from OP.

I think the majority of players would be better off folding pre.

If a player is posting a HH like this then he is better off not 3! a hand like this pre even if it is marginally better then folding in a vacuum.

Yeah, folding pre is fine. But I defend my blinds very aggressively pre especially vs LP raises since I'm somewhat of a spewtard now. I'm sure that 3b pre is also more +EV than flatting, but it definitely is marginal.

Why? This is pretty leaky without a good reason.