5-10-100 plo
03-08-2015
, 03:30 PM
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yeah ive played hundred of hours of live mid/hs plo and i just disagree with a lot of your points here avaritia. once btn who is perceived to be a fearless reg! limps for a hundo a lot of these guys are gonna limp behind a lot of top 15% hands because of live mentality, their lack of understandings of eq, and omg im oop to this live king pin otb / this tilted fish.
also i can guesstimate the ev of this hand once raised and put into hu pots / multi way pots, etc pretty accurately but equating the value of fish raising "a lot" when people limp, raise to him, etc is impossible. a lot is not something i quantify without knowing who i am playing with.
in my experience the jump from 5/10 to 5/10/100 is huge and tightens ranges really significantly for regs as they have to play for stacks with a much higher freq and how live regs will avoid 55/45 races at all costs to realize some greater post flop edge theyve convinced themselves that they have which they base on what equates to nothing concrete, everything assumed.
also i was wrong when i said "very bad" i made an incorrect assumption in something i did to come to that conclusion
also i can guesstimate the ev of this hand once raised and put into hu pots / multi way pots, etc pretty accurately but equating the value of fish raising "a lot" when people limp, raise to him, etc is impossible. a lot is not something i quantify without knowing who i am playing with.
in my experience the jump from 5/10 to 5/10/100 is huge and tightens ranges really significantly for regs as they have to play for stacks with a much higher freq and how live regs will avoid 55/45 races at all costs to realize some greater post flop edge theyve convinced themselves that they have which they base on what equates to nothing concrete, everything assumed.
also i was wrong when i said "very bad" i made an incorrect assumption in something i did to come to that conclusion
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03-08-2015
, 03:45 PM
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While online PLO wizards are some of the most brilliant poker minds in the community, I'm not sure they'd be fully aware of live FR dynamics of PLO. (If they are / play both then it's different of course and I'm wrong)
In live FR PLO, you have people limp/calling AT62 no suit and stacking off with top/bottom on T86
flops. (Barely exaggerated to make a point)
In the actual hand you just have a nut scenario where it's almost as if you are colluding with CO. You have a "big" hand, he blind puts $100 in, you flat, dead monies is created between you 95% of the time, he pots you pot or someone else pots he calls you pot w/e easy game.
One of the counters to this would be "a lot of stuff has to happen perfectly in that scenario, just raise your value hand ABC style and play poker". Again this is live poker where we have very predictable villains. People will call, villain will tilt raise, both at a very high frequency.
The $100 is not big at all and I'm very surprised it ended up heads up. Again not sure everyone is familiar with live PLO dynamics but a blind $100 straddle is not uncommon in the games I play nor are $25/$50/$100 re-straddles. I can guarantee you no one made any "tight folds" or anything or thought the game just got big for one hand or anything of the sort. If anything someone tank folded AT62 wishing the ace was suited.
In live FR PLO, you have people limp/calling AT62 no suit and stacking off with top/bottom on T86
flops. (Barely exaggerated to make a point)In the actual hand you just have a nut scenario where it's almost as if you are colluding with CO. You have a "big" hand, he blind puts $100 in, you flat, dead monies is created between you 95% of the time, he pots you pot or someone else pots he calls you pot w/e easy game.
One of the counters to this would be "a lot of stuff has to happen perfectly in that scenario, just raise your value hand ABC style and play poker". Again this is live poker where we have very predictable villains. People will call, villain will tilt raise, both at a very high frequency.
The $100 is not big at all and I'm very surprised it ended up heads up. Again not sure everyone is familiar with live PLO dynamics but a blind $100 straddle is not uncommon in the games I play nor are $25/$50/$100 re-straddles. I can guarantee you no one made any "tight folds" or anything or thought the game just got big for one hand or anything of the sort. If anything someone tank folded AT62 wishing the ace was suited.
03-09-2015
, 12:04 PM
