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5/10 1.7k 4 handed. Hero actually hits his hand. 5/10 1.7k 4 handed. Hero actually hits his hand.

01-19-2015 , 12:24 PM
5/10 1.7k eff stax.

Villain seems to be decent, but a bit sticky in spots he shouldn't be with 1 pair. Been playing for an hour, so not too much data to go on.

Hero thinks he has a pretty standard image for a short handed game. Feels like i'm playing LAGgy, but I guess that's what happens short.

Hero opens 10dKs on button to 30, V calls in SB, BB folds.

Flop 8 9c J (~70)

Checks to hero who c-bets 50, V calls.

Turn 8 9c J 7c (~170)

Checks to hero who bets 150, V x/r to 375, hero?

Awkward stack sizes here... raise or call? If we raise how much?
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01-19-2015 , 12:45 PM
Just call. You have no bluffs in your range when you 3b.
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01-19-2015 , 03:58 PM
Are we ever checkn back flop?

This isnt exactly the best flop to cbet...but we also have equity to improve, not to mention our money card is a scare card for both of us.
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01-19-2015 , 07:46 PM
Because he can play perfect if you raise, just call.
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01-19-2015 , 07:57 PM
Raising here would be pretty silly.
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01-19-2015 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by The Muffin Man
Raising here would be pretty silly.
this
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01-19-2015 , 10:31 PM
Here is a better question. You only have 2 buttons. Raise or fold. Which would you chose?
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01-19-2015 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by surf doc
Here is a better question. You only have 2 buttons. Raise or fold. Which would you chose?
lol
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01-20-2015 , 12:26 AM
turn bet is too big.
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01-20-2015 , 02:36 PM
If we flat, I guess the plan is to call river bets on any river barring any significant soul reads?

Spoiler:
I got silly and raised to 900 thinking it was possible villain x/r with pair+backdoorfd/set/equity + I was trying to get the freeroll if he had 10x. V folded and said he had J9.


Any thoughts on clicking this back to 700?
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01-20-2015 , 04:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SunChips
If we flat, I guess the plan is to call river bets on any river barring any significant soul reads?

Spoiler:
I got silly and raised to 900 thinking it was possible villain x/r with pair+backdoorfd/set/equity + I was trying to get the freeroll if he had 10x. V folded and said he had J9.


Any thoughts on clicking this back to 700?
The beauty of poker is that almost everyone sucks and you found someone who played his hand even worse than you played yours.

Not trying to be mean since you are here seeking advice and trying to get better. Multiple posters already said that raising is bad. Now it is true they didn't really elaborate on why it is bad. I am going to tell you the same thing. Reopening the betting here would be an absolutely enormous error. It doesn't matter if you CIB or make a big raise. As an exercise, try and type out your thoughts on WHY this is true. Or, why I am super wrong and suck even worse than you and villain.
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01-20-2015 , 10:15 PM
Turn bet is too big. Flop bet is ok but I think checking back is fine too.
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01-21-2015 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by surf doc
The beauty of poker is that almost everyone sucks and you found someone who played his hand even worse than you played yours.

Not trying to be mean since you are here seeking advice and trying to get better. Multiple posters already said that raising is bad. Now it is true they didn't really elaborate on why it is bad. I am going to tell you the same thing. Reopening the betting here would be an absolutely enormous error. It doesn't matter if you CIB or make a big raise. As an exercise, try and type out your thoughts on WHY this is true. Or, why I am super wrong and suck even worse than you and villain.
you were prob villain. at the very least he was one of your students.
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01-21-2015 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
you were prob villain. at the very least he was one of your students.
If I or any one of my students (currently there is only one) CR/fold on this texture, then I need to be fired by my student and I need to quit poker myself.
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01-21-2015 , 02:03 AM
Flat and snap any river. Why would you give him the option when you have the 2nd nuts+redraw.
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01-21-2015 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by surf doc
The beauty of poker is that almost everyone sucks and you found someone who played his hand even worse than you played yours.
Ouch lol...

I understand why to flat here, at least I think I do (and if this is wrong then my fundamentals are terrible and I should find another source of income)... We want villain to continue betting his worse hands and bluffs on the river. Since he is OOP, he is essentially stuck block/thin betting worse hands and bluffs or check/calling with bluff catchers since my range ends up being fairly wide. We don't want to let him fold his worse hands by raising.

That being said, when a villain makes an error like this x/r (and during the hand I was fairly certain he was capable of making errors like this) isn't there some merit to getting more money in to charge his equity at this stack size? Obviously the consensus of the forum is that flatting so we can get another bet on the river is the highest EV play, but if I'm stacking off on any river for 1200 more, his error is much smaller than it looks.
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01-21-2015 , 04:18 AM
Turn bet is waaaay too big.
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01-21-2015 , 04:27 AM
Why
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01-21-2015 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ChristianT
Because he can play perfect if you raise, just call.
Def not advocating raising here....
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01-21-2015 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SunChips
Ouch lol...

I understand why to flat here, at least I think I do (and if this is wrong then my fundamentals are terrible and I should find another source of income)... We want villain to continue betting his worse hands and bluffs on the river. Since he is OOP, he is essentially stuck block/thin betting worse hands and bluffs or check/calling with bluff catchers since my range ends up being fairly wide. We don't want to let him fold his worse hands by raising.

That being said, when a villain makes an error like this x/r (and during the hand I was fairly certain he was capable of making errors like this) isn't there some merit to getting more money in to charge his equity at this stack size? Obviously the consensus of the forum is that flatting so we can get another bet on the river is the highest EV play, but if I'm stacking off on any river for 1200 more, his error is much smaller than it looks.
The only merit to raising turn is if you think vill is unlikely to bluff/devalue river when he doesn't improve. If that's true then a small reraise might be better but don't expect to get any further action when vill misses.
However I've found when I play against players that minish cr oop its better to let them hang themselves.
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01-21-2015 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SunChips
Why
You have little to potentially zero bluffs in your range depending on what you cbet.
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01-21-2015 , 07:31 PM
Am i wrong in thinking this hand plays out better checking back the flop?
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01-22-2015 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RosaParks
Turn bet is waaaay too big.
In a tough 5/10 lineup online, definately yes.

In this game, against this particular villain? Probably not.
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01-22-2015 , 02:10 PM
Flop is close between b and x, turn is a really easy call, you don't need to "freeroll" villain on the turn, he's getting all-in with Tx on a Q river anyways (except exactly the Qc). Also it's pretty exciting to be able to get villain to fold Tx on board pairs/clubs.
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01-22-2015 , 07:15 PM
Much rather check back flop with AT than KT. Nice to build the pot for the few times you get to cooler Tx on QJ98x.
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