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400NL AA dry board vs check/raise on flop 400NL AA dry board vs check/raise on flop

08-07-2009 , 10:36 PM
Villain is solid reg 14/11 lots of hands.. has a check/raise of 5% on flop. I have a very non spewy image obv. Do you like a call of his raise and evaluate turn or just make a committing reraise?

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NL Holdem $4(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($652)
BB ($400)
UTG ($394)
UTG+1 ($63.60)
Hero ($412)
MP1 ($119)
MP2 ($208)
CO ($400)
BTN ($396)

Dealt to Hero A A

fold, fold, Hero raises to $12, fold, fold, CO calls $12, fold, fold, BB calls $8

FLOP ($38) J 5 T

BB checks, Hero bets $26, CO calls $26, BB raises to $90, Hero ???
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08-08-2009 , 12:13 AM
Wtf? How about a fold?
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08-08-2009 , 12:50 AM
ya i mean folding is prob ok but then again that's why i raise 56ss here, how good is villain? or more over who is viallain????
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08-08-2009 , 12:52 AM
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lots of hands.. has a check/raise of 5% on flop.
Doesn't this say enough?
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08-08-2009 , 07:02 AM
Isn't a call in position a reasonable play here?
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08-08-2009 , 02:12 PM
I think I peel one if you think he could do this with KQ. Also, depending on his 3bet range, JJ or TT could squeeze, so it really only leaves 55 and JTs as hands that beat you.
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08-08-2009 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DoubleFly
I think I peel one if you think he could do this with KQ. Also, depending on his 3bet range, JJ or TT could squeeze, so it really only leaves 55 and JTs as hands that beat you.
maybe but sparky aside who bluffs in his spot?
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08-08-2009 , 05:09 PM
@ h2t everyone, just not people playing 14/10, cr 5%

All things considered, I think turn play against these players is so **** easy so I'm usually happy to take one off in pos. However with the cr frequency and the raise size I'm not sure he has even remotely enough marginal value hands or draws in his range to make this correct. This is why we take notes good sir!
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08-08-2009 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hard2tel
maybe but sparky aside who bluffs in his spot?
I can think of a few people. It may not be a bad play, if all you nits are going to fold hands like AA to a small raise. :-P

also, unless this guy is lol bad, he should have some bluffs/semidraws in his 5% CR range. If he is just raising the top 5% of his range, that would just be ******ed.
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08-08-2009 , 05:21 PM
nah no one ever folds in pos here vs anyone capable of check raising light. Maybe in pos it's sexy but it's still hard to rep a lot of combo's plus that board doesn't often get very scary for hero when he has a hand like aa so calling down is easy fun.
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08-08-2009 , 06:21 PM
why wouldn't he be putting you on a cbet, and c/r'ing you with k's, q's, AJ or kq? Im not all in agreement with anyone who says fold. Easy call.
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08-08-2009 , 08:21 PM
any reads on CO? fish fistpump call..reg whatever fold i think
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08-08-2009 , 11:26 PM
with CO's call, i fold
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08-10-2009 , 06:20 PM
For reasonable hands that C/R flop, 14/11 BB flats [JJ,TT,JT,KQ,AJ?] and 3b [KK,QQ] here OOP pre I think. So yes it's possible he's on a bluff/draw but the 5% range that squeezes here is weighted towards beating you. To make things worse, he'll actually hit his draw x% of the time. What are you going to do when you call and the turn peels an A? Unless you have history on villain air-squeezing, this nit says fold. Concentrate on cbet exploits that have way more value than this guessing game.
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08-11-2009 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by DoubleFly
I think I peel one if you think he could do this with KQ. Also, depending on his 3bet range, JJ or TT could squeeze, so it really only leaves 55 and JTs as hands that beat you.
I agree in principal, but most villains worth their salt are going to be blasting the turn with their full value and semi-bluff range, so you ought to have a plan for than prior to peeling here unless you think he'll just shut down if he misses.
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08-11-2009 , 07:15 PM
I'm pretty sure this is the most standard peel ever.
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08-11-2009 , 10:18 PM
He could be doing this with QQ or KK and you have blockers if CO has QK.

I'd take a card
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08-12-2009 , 12:55 AM
bb has 55 or JT imo, would be sick if he bluffs here.
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08-30-2014 , 01:11 AM
"has a check/raise of 5% on flop" <- that pretty much means no bluffing or even semi-bluffing. And even if he was capable of semi-bluffing CR with something like KQ or 98s he wouldn't try to pull it with CO caller in there. So may be a pretty tight fold but I'm folding flop.

Last edited by Olaff; 08-30-2014 at 01:19 AM.
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08-30-2014 , 01:59 AM
This would be close if hero was heads up, but in this squeeze spot it's a clear fold against this villain.
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08-30-2014 , 10:04 PM
Sweet bump Olaff.
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08-31-2014 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by The Muffin Man
Sweet bump Olaff.
I don't see anything in the rules forbidding discussion of older hands. Meanwhile, your post added nothing of value to this thread. If you have nothing of value to add why not just stay out of the thread? No one's forcing you to post here.
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08-31-2014 , 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by The Muffin Man
Sweet bump Olaff.
Rofl, My thoughts exactly
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