I played a hand where I was unsure about every action I committed this hand . Looking for feedback on every street

Villain is .winning reg. He's folded to a good amount of 3Bs .Some history ,
he flatted QQ otb vs my co open and flatted flop and turn on Q73ddxAo board .
He defended my co open from bb with QJo and check called flop and turn on. 89TssxAo and river went check check on Ao.
He flatted ip with 55 and called flop and turn on 552ccx7o and bet $410 into $350 on 9o river

So onto hand . He opens $30 otb I make it $100 in the bb with QThh $2k eff he calls
Flop Jc8cTd I bet $130, he makes it $300 I call
Turn 3h
I check call $440
River Jh
I tank check he jams $1200 somewhat quickly hero ?

I wouldn't 3bet a hand like this that has some good postflop equity. I would 3bet stuff like J5s instead if you want to 3b/bluff.

As played, I feel like you should be calling given his prior history of slowplaying huge hands. Like, doesn't even donk lead QJ on 89TAAss, just checks? Also doesn't raise sets on drawy boards?

His range is missed flush draws, straight draws, maybe sometimes OPs, but this just seems so FOS given how he played his big hands as you described. Call.

dont 3b pre, but

his prior slowplays are situations where he has the nuts and the nuts is pretty unlikely to change. they are also situations where he blocks a lot of the hands that he expects people to call raises with. this situation is quite different on JT8cc. he is probably raising all his sets and 2p on this texture as well as some bluffs with decent equity. because this is a pretty bad river card to bluff I don't see him emptying the clip here too often with his missed draws.

don't like your flop play either, would prefer x/c this flop since I like a check here with your whole range. the flop is so much better for him than you I think you need to be checking

why did you 3bet pre?

Thx for input, and well thought out analysis. 4b calling flop crossed my mind. Thoughts ?

BC I think he's folding a lot pre and I think this hand plays better in a heads up pot oop with initiative

why?

Against a winning player I think there's little value of implied odds with a hand like this . So IMO QTo and QThh are almost the same as a defend and I don't think I'm good enough to defend QTo and show a profit.
But obv QThh is stronger then QTo and In a bloated pot there's a lot of flops / turns where u can comfortably get it in whereas in a non bloated pot there's a lot less. Plus you're going to win the pot pre, and on the flop a lot.

What he ever folding?

Dont mind the 3b so much....wouldn't do it every time obviously but having this hand in your 3b range seems fine. If I got to the river like this I'd probably click call but I'm likely folding the turn. I'd also check the flop here a lot.

this hand is a good reason why I don't 3bet OOP preflop without a decent understanding of defending ranges (or what i really mean--- tendencies)


That said, as played I'm really certain that this is a call


more preflop too imo.

I think pre is fine at this stack depth with a hand as good at QTs. I think it's important to be able to fight back on a lot of flops when you 3bet oop deep. I'd rather make it a bit bigger though, say 120.

I prefer c/c flop and as played c/f turn.

I don't get to the river this way, but as played, I can't think of many better hands to bluff catch with. We block TT and Q9 and we don't have any clubs in our hand.

Flatting QQ on Q73dd and 55 on 552cc seems pretty standard/good to me. The only 'slowplay' that I find a bit unusual is the QJ hand. Even given those three hands, I wouldn't be surprised if villain fast played his nut hands here.

@muffinman

I agree with everything you wrote in your post. We definately want to 3bet quite large oop this deep, 120 is good to me. Also, when you are constructing a 3bet range you definately want to have some hands like this one for board coverage purposes this deep (assuming that we 3b a wide range as our strategy), since we can expect to be called quite often.

However, because we will be called quite often I would be careful when 3betting oop, even in a btn v bb situation, and do some work with flopzilla to find a range that you will be happy with. I don't think its horrible to have some boards (like this one) that are gonna be much better for your opponent than you unless you 3b a very wide merged range. If you do choose the strategy (which you seem to be doing) of 3betting a wide merged range, then you have to make sure that you pick an opponent who isn't gonna 4b you much and almost always flat or fold.

I prefer to adopt a polarized 3b strategy here, knowing that if they call a lot we have enough big pocket pairs to make their calls bad. This way we hit the middle card boards with our SCs, hit the Ahigh boards with our Ax suited, and hit the dry boards with our big pocket pairs. On this texture of connected broadway cards, we have a couple sets but I personally don't mind (as I said before) letting ourselves get ****ed by good opponents sometimes on certain boards oop.

120 pre, downbet the flop or x/c flop sounds pretty okay too

wtf is a downbet?

It's a bet that ain't trippin Zachvac.

U r in on 6-26?

a bet that is smaller than your previous wager

Thanks, never heard that term.

I'm like 90%, probably come in around then and stay through the main. My birthday's the 28th so that'd put me in vegas for that too. Always a decent place to spend a birthday .

+1 never heard of this alleged downbet thing