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07-04-2015 , 06:41 AM
3 handed 5/10.

Villain(covers) is a 50s asian reg. I haven't seen a lot of him, but he doesn't seem to be a huge winner or loser. He has a tendency not to fold once he puts money in on the flop (although this doesn't necessarily mean he just calls down). I once saw him make a hero call with Q high; I don't remember the board but it wasn't a double paired board. All of these observations are for full ring. I've never played him shorthanded before. We've been playing 3 handed for 25min, he's been pretty snug, folding most hands while I play HU pots with the fish.

The other player is a rec player that I've never seen before but it is pretty obvious that this guy is the reason this 3 handed game is going.

Hero(2500) - young asian male. Villain knows I was a 3/5 reg at the same casino. Recently started playing 5/10 as my main game. Not sure how villain perceives my game overall, but tonight I've been hitting flops like crazy and just betting and taking it down. Haven't really shown any hands.

BU fish folds. Hero raises SB 30 A8, Villain calls.

Flop(60): T75
Hero bets 45, villain calls.

Turn(150): 9
Hero bets 115, villain raises to 300, hero tank calls.

River(750): 3
Hero checks, villain bets 300, hero c/r to 1100.

Thoughts?
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07-04-2015 , 07:07 AM
flop is prob a ck/fold against this guy. as played though turn is fine but prob just fold once he raises. as played river c/raise i think is really bad. just don't see you picking up the pot enough w/ a river c/raise against him with this runout.
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07-04-2015 , 01:32 PM
Seems fine
Except for the River which is prty spewy don't think ur 8 blocker is Worth going nuts over

Last edited by ebet33; 07-04-2015 at 01:54 PM.
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07-04-2015 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cstevens
flop is prob a ck/fold against this guy. as played though turn is fine but prob just fold once he raises. as played river c/raise i think is really bad. just don't see you picking up the pot enough w/ a river c/raise against him with this runout.
Think cf flop is 2 weak w nut bd and bd str8 and a which is probably a clean out
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07-04-2015 , 02:34 PM
Rivers spewey, the rest of the hand seems find.

I am in general c/f the flop here against this guy but hands with the stiff Ac would be some of the few air hands I would cbet.
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07-04-2015 , 03:04 PM
What r u repping?
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07-04-2015 , 03:11 PM
Agree with others that everything but river looks good. I like sizing on all streets (altho personally i like 40-50 better preflop). River is check/fold unfortunately, esp against someone who likes to make hero calls. I understand V's $300 "same bet" looks weak but the 3 doesnt change anything and you would have led river with a value hand so your line looks pretty FOS.
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07-04-2015 , 03:38 PM
I actually quite dislike turn as well, not only the river. But I might be wrong. I mean, do we really have a profitable bet / call (even though his sizing was rather weakish) when we are drawing to a one-card straight (with potentially tainted club outs), and it will be challenging to extract value OOP if we bink the river?
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07-04-2015 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by armor32
I actually quite dislike turn as well, not only the river. But I might be wrong. I mean, do we really have a profitable bet / call (even though his sizing was rather weakish) when we are drawing to a one-card straight (with potentially tainted club outs), and it will be challenging to extract value OOP if we bink the river?
Turn can be ok if hero is planning to rep clubs as well. If villain had bet same sizing on club Id like this a lot more.
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07-04-2015 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyLikeABird
Turn can be ok if hero is planning to rep clubs as well. If villain had bet same sizing on club Id like this a lot more.
3-handed you are just getting paid if you have clubs. You can do a lot of things differently in this hand imo.
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07-04-2015 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
What r u repping?
This
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07-04-2015 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
You can do a lot of things differently in this hand imo.
Let's start with the flop.... is this a standard cbet or not rly ?
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07-04-2015 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by armor32
Let's start with the flop.... is this a standard cbet or not rly ?
Prob not super smart for me to tell you how I play in common/standards spots, but if you are going to c-bet this flop, it needs to be part of a plan, and I don't really like that plan against this particular opponent (based on what we know about him).
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07-04-2015 , 08:18 PM
Is check calling the turn viable? In game I discounted it because one pair hands play so perfectly against our hand when we check turn.

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Originally Posted by DGAF
What r u repping?
J8 and 86 that decided to trap/not 3bet the turn. 64cc. Not much I know.

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Originally Posted by HH2010
I understand V's $300 "same bet" looks weak but the 3 doesnt change anything and you would have led river with a value hand so your line looks pretty FOS.
I disagree that hero would have led with a value hand on the river. If hero didn't 3bet the turn with a value hand, then why would hero lead a river that doesn't change anything? Might as well have 3bet turn (unless hero wants to rep missed clubs on the river, but I don't think this is the best line for value).
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07-04-2015 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
Prob not super smart for me to tell you how I play in common/standards spots
Yeah, makes sense and that's why I hesitated a bit before I asked you specifically. But then, (1) chances of me staying in a 3-handed game with you are rather slim because I still game select (unlike you ) and (2) the way how you would play this spot vs me is prob not the same so I figured you don't give much away by discussing this spot in generic terms. Just trying to work on my short handed game and it's not easy

Anyways, glad you don't think the flop is a slam dunk c-bet because neither do I.
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07-04-2015 , 09:52 PM
If your reads on villain are correct then betting the turn is spew imo
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07-04-2015 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by armor32
I actually quite dislike turn as well, not only the river. But I might be wrong. I mean, do we really have a profitable bet / call (even though his sizing was rather weakish) when we are drawing to a one-card straight (with potentially tainted club outs), and it will be challenging to extract value OOP if we bink the river?
+1 I'd much prefer cc. As played river is pretty spewy.
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07-05-2015 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tw1n_k0i
Is check calling the turn viable? In game I discounted it because one pair hands play so perfectly against our hand when we check turn.



J8 and 86 that decided to trap/not 3bet the turn. 64cc. Not much I know.



I disagree that hero would have led with a value hand on the river. If hero didn't 3bet the turn with a value hand, then why would hero lead a river that doesn't change anything? Might as well have 3bet turn (unless hero wants to rep missed clubs on the river, but I don't think this is the best line for value).
Pfr has a tough time repping those hands in general. And with that sizing on the river, I think you are mainly just repping J8 on a board where plenty of draws missed.
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07-05-2015 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by armor32
Yeah, makes sense and that's why I hesitated a bit before I asked you specifically. But then, (1) chances of me staying in a 3-handed game with you are rather slim because I still game select (unlike you ) and (2) the way how you would play this spot vs me is prob not the same so I figured you don't give much away by discussing this spot in generic terms. Just trying to work on my short handed game and it's not easy

Anyways, glad you don't think the flop is a slam dunk c-bet because neither do I.
It's a pretty standard bvb spot (doesn't matter how many people are at the table). Nice try though!
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07-05-2015 , 06:57 PM
TURN

What are you doing on club, Jo, 6o, and Ao rivers? Not sure I like the turn call OOP. I would prefer 3-betting turn to 875 and jamming most rivers to calling turn.

RIVER

As played c/f. I hate this line and I agree with DGAF that you're not repping anything really. Also he's super tight and you've been winning tons of pots without showdown, meaning he probably has a good hand and this bluff isn't going to get through as often as it normally might (someone is going to keep you honest eventually).
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07-06-2015 , 01:24 PM
This hand feels like you had no plan, or more specifically, that you were surprised by the turn raise, shrug called, and then compounded the problem with an ill advised audible on the river. You could have raised preflop with 68 or J8, but those hands are not consistent with your turn/River play. Personally, if I had the straight, I would be much more likely to slam the turn in the hopes that it would look like I was spazzing with a draw.
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07-06-2015 , 04:01 PM
OP
The hands you are trying to get folds from are hands he is likely going to check back river with
The hands you are repping are hands in villain's range plus he's going to have 2pair hands like 9T which he feels are ahead of hero's range.
If villain has hero called with Q high he just isn't folding 2pairs given hero's line
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07-06-2015 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by endodocdc
If villain has hero called with Q high he just isn't folding 2pairs given hero's line
Villain never called hero with Q high. That was a hand I saw involving villain and another player in a full ring 5/10 game a few months ago.
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07-06-2015 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tw1n_k0i
Villain never called hero with Q high. That was a hand I saw involving villain and another player in a full ring 5/10 game a few months ago.
Sure. The point isn't whether it was against hero or whether villain was correct in his reads to hero call. The inference is that villain can have (at the very least ) a basic understanding of hand reading and ranges.
I'm saying this to support that I don't think villain is folding the parts of his range he is betting river with. All the weaker hands in his value range are checking back river. I also don't think his range is polarized here at all.
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07-07-2015 , 09:12 PM
Thanks for the responses everyone. I liked that there was a diversity of opinions. I think I misplayed at least one street but I will have to think about it more.

Results:
Spoiler:
Villain tanks for 3+ min and calls with...
Spoiler:
86ss
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