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Old 02-20-2012, 11:29 AM   #76
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DGAF - thanks for the time you put into this and your other posts. I really appreciate being able to learn from your experience.

A few questions:

1. What kind of things do you do at the table to recognize you are on tilt/off your A-game? Is it something that you just become aware of naturally, or do you have some kind of process for periodically checking that you are still playing your A-game?

2. I realize it's a broad topic, but can you discuss how you adjust to/exploit your opponents? What I mean is - what kind of info and how much of it do you need to see before you mentally file away 'OK - this guy has tendency X, I am going to exploit it'? Do you wait for meaningful showdown info to confirm before you act/adjust, or do you just go with your first instinct and start trying to exploit and if you end up being wrong re-adjust then?

3. Is poker still somewhat fun, or has it become a grind? I know you referred to this in the OP - but are there still times/aspects of the game when it's exciting and not just a means to making $?
1. I only occasionally play my A-game. I find it very hard to get in "the zone", but when I do, I'll literally play until I fall asleep at the table or the game breaks, whatever comes first. I try to play my B game as much as possible, and I think it's good enough.

I know I'm on tilt when I start defending my blinds or opening bad hands in early/middle position in less than super soft games. I usually realize it as I'm putting my chips in, and I make a real conscious effort to not compound my mistake post flop. Then I take a walk ASAP and take as long as I need to regroup mentally. I'll also know I'm on tilt if I say something lame to the dealer or give him/her a death stare lol.

2. Not sure how to answer this since it's so broad, but I guess I just look for tendencies and tells in each player and then act accordingly. If someone is opening too much or if they don't play well against 3-bets, I'm going to be 3-betting a ton. If they have c-bet sizing tells, I'll flat extremely wide pre and play accordingly post. If they are super fit or fold nits and open big, I'll call extremely wide and rep a ton post- some people just refuse to go broke with one pair (and 2 pair+ is real hard to make obv- especially when you start with a pp). If someone never pot controls and can't fold anything decent to me, I might c/r flop something ridiculous like 6x with good hands if I need to set up stacks. If they always pot control but bet or raise a flop in a scary spot, I'll raise/reraise or float everything, depending on my hand, game flow, etc. If they always squeeze in good spots, I might over limp or over call an open with a big hand and then reraise their squeeze. Etc, etc, etc...

3. Poker is not as fun as it used to be at all. It used to be sitting in soft games against successful, intelligent businessmen, never worrying about being hit and run or having the game break in an instant. You also used to be able to play 9 to 5 and games were great. Now it's a constant hustle, everyone is on edge, going to leave the moment they get up a buyin, etc. I actually table change more often to get away from annoying people than I do to get in a game with a fish lol.

Having said that, yeah I still have fun on those rare occasions when a fun, competitive, gambly atmosphere has been cultivated... I also enjoy leveling wars and meta game against other very good players on occasion, though that's extremely high variance and not at all where the money is earned long term.

The collapse of the economy and the trickle down is the root of all of this IMO, so if/when that bounces back, I think game conditions will as well. For right now though, as my friend who has been in the game a long time too always says, "it's a real race to the bottom."

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Old 02-20-2012, 12:50 PM   #77
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If you are getting 3bet too often, you are either sitting in ****ty games or not playing back enough IMO. If it's the former, just start really focusing on game selecting. Don't become one of those annoying table hopping/seat hopping every 5 minutes grinders obv, just refuse to sit in bad games- no matter how good you are post flop or whatever. There are plenty of soft games out there in which you can make decent and steady money by playing a ton of hands, you just might need to explore different venues or different hours (possibly even different stakes).

If game selecting is not your issue and you are getting 3bet too often/light, start making your opponents lives miserable IMO. It doesn't take many light 4-bets or elaborate aggro post-flop lines to get people off your back. Once you establish a real slag image/reputation, you will hardly ever get 3-bet light and can just fold most of your range when it does in fact occur. Most people I play with are A LOT more attached to their stacks than I am- they know it and I know it (and they know that I know it). They start the pot controlling process very early/preflop.

Also it sounds like maybe you are opening too wide in ep. That's a huge leak for a lot of excellent post flop players IMO, trying to maximize their flops seen. Sc's are garbage oop, as I'm sure you know.
I found this bold part surprising coming from you DGAF.
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Old 02-20-2012, 04:18 PM   #78
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A 3bet pot I just played in 5 10 that kind of got my juices flowing:

I've been opening a ton in a soft game and and have won a lot of pots w/o showdown. I open to 35 in mp with 42. Super short stack calls in the SB, and bb makes it 115 very confidently (I'm pretty sure he has a big pair). I tank and flat and SB flats also with like 50 bucks behind. Bb is a pro tag, very solid, seems like a cool guy, etc. He's been on a massive heater and has run his 600 stack up to like 3500 over the past couple hours. He asks me if I have him covered which tells me he isn't real happy with the spot he put himself in. I don't have him covered, but i have about 2700 behind. Pot is 339.

Flop comes T7:2. SB checks, bb casually bets 185, I take a little time and make it 600. SB ships his 50 bucks, and bb thinks for a while, has the dealer pull in the 185, and then calls the 415.

Turn is the A. Bb checks and I count my stack (2100) and bet 840. Bb folds.

River is the K and mhig, I scoop side pot and main pot.

***Not only do hands like that help boost the chip stack obv, but they also get everyone's attention at the table. No one wants to be put in a bad spot like the one bb was put in, and now they all have another hand of recent proof that I'm a spaztard who doesn't need to have it when he puts 150 bbs in the middle--> they probably won't be 3betting me light any time soon.
Great example here DGAF. A nice hand that illustrates a lot of the points you've emphasized in many of your posts.
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Old 02-20-2012, 04:56 PM   #79
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A 3bet pot I just played in 5 10 that kind of got my juices flowing:

I've been opening a ton in a soft game and and have won a lot of pots w/o showdown. I open to 35 in mp with 42. Super short stack calls in the SB, and bb makes it 115 very confidently (I'm pretty sure he has a big pair). I tank and flat and SB flats also with like 50 bucks behind. Bb is a pro tag, very solid, seems like a cool guy, etc. He's been on a massive heater and has run his 600 stack up to like 3500 over the past couple hours. He asks me if I have him covered which tells me he isn't real happy with the spot he put himself in. I don't have him covered, but i have about 2700 behind. Pot is 339.

Flop comes T7:2. SB checks, bb casually bets 185, I take a little time and make it 600. SB ships his 50 bucks, and bb thinks for a while, has the dealer pull in the 185, and then calls the 415.

Turn is the A. Bb checks and I count my stack (2100) and bet 840. Bb folds.

River is the K and mhig, I scoop side pot and main pot.

***Not only do hands like that help boost the chip stack obv, but they also get everyone's attention at the table. No one wants to be put in a bad spot like the one bb was put in, and now they all have another hand of recent proof that I'm a spaztard who doesn't need to have it when he puts 150 bbs in the middle--> they probably won't be 3betting me light any time soon.
seems pretty terrible to call the 3bet given how short sb is. It seems like (correct me if i'm wrong) that you're picking on weakish live regs who are play fit or fold.

question time!
1) I've noticed there are some live regs who seem to have a lot of leaks preflop but play well post flop. They hold their own even against the internet kids. In your opinion, who are more annoying to play against? good live regs or internet kids?

2) What percentage of players do you think at the 5-10 and 10-20 that you feel like have an edge on you when you're playing your B game vs their B game in 2012?

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Old 02-20-2012, 08:54 PM   #80
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I found this bold part surprising coming from you DGAF.
Why? I'm a position fiend. And hands that flop draws (especially non-nut draws) are just brutal oop- a lot moreso than pp's or big cards. Having initiative helps, but not enough to make opening them (sc's) in ep profitable in most lineups. IMO.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:04 PM   #81
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Quote from DGAF: Most people I play with are A LOT more attached to their stacks than I am- they know it and I know it (and they know that I know it). They start the pot controlling process very early/preflop.

I think this is a critical point in live games - on-line losing a buyin is no big deal if your are rolled right but views change live. In live games once they know that if they get involved with you all the money is likely to be in the middle you see a lot more caution in the opposition.
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Why? I'm a position fiend. And hands that flop draws (especially non-nut draws) are just brutal oop- a lot moreso than pp's or big cards. Having initiative helps, but not enough to make opening them (sc's) in ep profitable in most lineups. IMO.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:45 PM   #83
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seems pretty terrible to call the 3bet given how short sb is. It seems like (correct me if i'm wrong) that you're picking on weakish live regs who are play fit or fold.

question time!
1) I've noticed there are some live regs who seem to have a lot of leaks preflop but play well post flop. They hold their own even against the internet kids. In your opinion, who are more annoying to play against? good live regs or internet kids?

2) What percentage of players do you think at the 5-10 and 10-20 that you feel like have an edge on you when you're playing your B game vs their B game in 2012?

3) top 3 fav poker books
Please explain why calling the 3-bet is terrible. I'd say not calling it almost 300 bbs deep in position against a defined and narrow range would be terrible, and that SB is hardly a factor, and that he is at least as likely to fold to the 3bet as he is to call, and that if he ships it doesn't re-open the action anyways... Bb is going to Cbet regardless of what sb does, and the chess match will start from there IMO, with a side pot already established.

And no, I'm not just picking on fit or fold players. I'm picking on anyone who 3bets me small oop with a narrow range and a deep stack. People who won't stack off 300 bbs with one pair (the majority of players) are going to get bluffed to death. People who won't fold their big pair to me no matter what are just offering insane implied odds on that extra 80 to see the flop. People who are in between, they are going to have a leveling war oop against a wide and undefined range from someone who is balanced, good at hand reading, and understands board texture and what he can or cannot rep from street to street.

The spot I was in pre after bb made it 115 is my favorite one to be in, ainc. I'm certainly not going to let a 16bb SB prevent me from engaging- unless your reply to this post convinces me otherwise.

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1. More annoying to be around, or more annoying to play against? Live grinder nits are typically way more annoying to be around. They are also much easier to play against... So many guys who look like "internet kids" are just fakes who binked a tournament or won a jackpot or something. Try to not confuse those guys with the guys who dress well and have sick watches- those guys usually get it on all levels.

2. Tough/odd question to answer. I'll say this: there are a handful of players I'd stake- some I'd looooove to have a piece of. If I could only have 100% of one player though, it would be me. I've won more for longer than anyone I know and my game is constantly evolving/improving because I'm always working on it because I'm competitive as ****.

(I think you have to think like ^^^ to be really successful, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who does)

3. I haven't read a poker book in so long. I think theory of poker and super system are mandatory for anyone starting out, but the forums are better wrt strat for the intermediate+ player. The game changes so fast that books become outdated quickly. I do like doyle's story telling style though...
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dgaf,

i don't wanna get too much into strats because this thread is about you and your views, which I respect a lot. I'll just say that on the times sb does call/shove (say, 50% of the time), you're not going to be able to win the main pot as your 42dd is crushed by his range. so you're essentially risking 135 (sb's effective) for about 35% equity against sb's range even if you successfully bluff out bb. I understand position, deep stack, etc, etc. but there's gotta be better spots than this.

re 3: you should read elements of poker by tommy angelo.
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Old 02-21-2012, 02:28 PM   #85
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2. Not sure how to answer this since it's so broad, but I guess I just look for tendencies and tells in each player and then act accordingly. If someone is opening too much or if they don't play well against 3-bets, I'm going to be 3-betting a ton. If they have c-bet sizing tells, I'll flat extremely wide pre and play accordingly post. If they are super fit or fold nits and open big, I'll call extremely wide and rep a ton post- some people just refuse to go broke with one pair (and 2 pair+ is real hard to make obv- especially when you start with a pp). If someone never pot controls and can't fold anything decent to me, I might c/r flop something ridiculous like 6x with good hands if I need to set up stacks. If they always pot control but bet or raise a flop in a scary spot, I'll raise/reraise or float everything, depending on my hand, game flow, etc. If they always squeeze in good spots, I might over limp or over call an open with a big hand and then reraise their squeeze. Etc, etc, etc...
Thanks a lot for the in-depth reply, I really appreciate it.

I guess part of what I was asking is how do you get the fix on their tendencies in the first place. Just to give an example of what I mean - let's say an unknown sits down and 3-bets you 3 times in 2 orbits. Do you automatically assume he is 3-betting light because of his frequency and adjust accordingly, or do you give him credit until you get some showdown info on hands that he has in his range when he 3-bets? Is it both of function of the plays and who is doing it - e.g. in the above example if it's a young kid with headphones you are going to assume he is light a fair % of the time when he is doing it, vs. if it's an old man you are going to err on the side of assuming he had a real had 3 times in a row, etc?
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I had the last part wrong - I thought it was Frankenreuter.
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dgaf,

i don't wanna get too much into strats because this thread is about you and your views, which I respect a lot. I'll just say that on the times sb does call/shove (say, 50% of the time), you're not going to be able to win the main pot as your 42dd is crushed by his range. so you're essentially risking 135 (sb's effective) for about 35% equity against sb's range even if you successfully bluff out bb. I understand position, deep stack, etc, etc. but there's gotta be better spots than this.

re 3: you should read elements of poker by tommy angelo.
I'm honestly not too concerned with the direction this thread goes in (or if it even goes in one). If a strat debate is sparked, that's fine with me. If it continues as a Q & A/well for a while before dying off, that works too. Having said that, we can agree to disagree on whether or not to call the 3bet in this hand. I think you are not factoring in the pending c-bet from bb into our pot odds, or how strong his range is into our implied odds. But w/e, I could be wrong and it's not the most interesting spot anyways.

I have elements of poker and read most of it a while ago. I remember being underwhelmed and thinking it was extremely nitty, but maybe I just wasn't ready for it/need to revisit it. What are the highlights iyo?
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Thanks a lot for the in-depth reply, I really appreciate it.

I guess part of what I was asking is how do you get the fix on their tendencies in the first place. Just to give an example of what I mean - let's say an unknown sits down and 3-bets you 3 times in 2 orbits. Do you automatically assume he is 3-betting light because of his frequency and adjust accordingly, or do you give him credit until you get some showdown info on hands that he has in his range when he 3-bets? Is it both of function of the plays and who is doing it - e.g. in the above example if it's a young kid with headphones you are going to assume he is light a fair % of the time when he is doing it, vs. if it's an old man you are going to err on the side of assuming he had a real had 3 times in a row, etc?
3 times in two orbits is a lot. It could be an aberration (it's certainly not impossible he had 3 big hands), but my guess is that at least one of the times he was light. I def profile and and a young hotshot is getting some resistance quicker than someone over the age of 50 with a neat chipstack. Having said that, I'm prob just proceeding pretty much as normal (folding a lot oop, almost never folding ip) until I see some of his hands/learn more about his play. If he's a 3bet monkey in full ring, he's in for a rude awakening no matter what. When 9 hands are dealt out, at least one of them is often very strong...

Something I have confirmed with several good players who have been around for a while: when it seems like someone is picking on you (with constant raises or reraises) and you are clearly a not-scared-money pro, IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS VARIANCE, AND THE STORY WILL CHECK OUT IF YOU LOOK THEM UP- THEY WILL HAVE IT. Players just generally don't pick on pros (or any aggro players for that matter) hardly ever, it's not why they came to the casino or where/how their money is going to be earned.

If this is happening to you a lot, you might just be sitting in ****ty games, or you might need to work on your image. I honestly cant remember the last time anything resembling that scenario happened to me. In the mean time, tighten up with your opens oop.
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I had the last part wrong - I thought it was Frankenreuter.
Extremely common mistake.
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You kind of stumped me on this one. I think maybe we play poker for very different reasons. I think you (and many good recreational players) play because you like the competition/challenge and the break from your normal life (awesome job, family, etc). And it's probably a very healthy outlet, as you mentioned.

I play poker as a job/only for money at this point. I don't want to crush anyone or make anyone cry. And I don't feel the need or desire to prove myself to anyone- I think only a tiny % of players (even pros) have a trained enough eye to really see and understand what is really going on anyways, separating variance/results from actual play... I just want to earn my hourly in the most enjoyable way possible and then get out of there and pay bills and hopefully add to my roll.

When I need an outlet or want to be competitive, I go play golf or bar games. Or I just go work out. I guess maybe the honeymoon is over for me and poker?

Idk, hopefully this reply sheds a little light. Like I said, you kind of stumped me on this one.
This is an excellent answer, imo. It underscores the point (made by several posters as well), that it is really important to know why one is playing poker.

Since, in the current climate (with many people being pretty good at poker), I can't make an hourly that equals my dayjob, I have to have some other reason for playing. I guess, up to now, it has been to express the competitive side of myself (unfortunately, I'm just not good at traditional sports). FTR, I don't really want to destroy people or make them cry, but I definitely want to win!

Anyhow, thanks for the response, which has been helpful in getting me to think/rethink about my motivations for playing poker--especially since, as you point out, the day to day experience of it is alot less fun than it used to be.
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Hey I got a semi personal question to ask and understand if you don't want to answer.

What was your bank roll at when you decided to play pro 5/10 +
What was your "liferoll" at the same time when you decided to go pro at 5/10+

Awesome thread so far thanks!
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This is an excellent answer, imo. It underscores the point (made by several posters as well), that it is really important to know why one is playing poker.

Since, in the current climate (with many people being pretty good at poker), I can't make an hourly that equals my dayjob, I have to have some other reason for playing. I guess, up to now, it has been to express the competitive side of myself (unfortunately, I'm just not good at traditional sports). FTR, I don't really want to destroy people or make them cry, but I definitely want to win!

Anyhow, thanks for the response, which has been helpful in getting me to think/rethink about my motivations for playing poker--especially since, as you point out, the day to day experience of it is alot less fun than it used to be.
You don't have to make = your job hourly at poker to be playing it for the money. I imagine a lot of supplemental incomes are lower hourly than their respective primary incomes. And obv there is nothing wrong with wanting to win, even if you don't need the money.

The glaring problem IMO is that you didn't even mention/consider the reason why so many recreational players used to play poker and hardly any do now- FOR FUN! They used to enjoy the gamble and the camaraderie, sharing degen stories of their past, etc. However, a super deflated economy and super short sighted "pros" with no social graces have made that reason for playing all but obsolete these days...
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Hey I got a semi personal question to ask and understand if you don't want to answer.

What was your bank roll at when you decided to play pro 5/10 +
What was your "liferoll" at the same time when you decided to go pro at 5/10+

Awesome thread so far thanks!
I had a 40k roll, no debt, plenty of credit, and 1k/week in expenses... I didn't start building a life roll until I was about a year and a half in and my poker roll was way beyond what I needed it to be.
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Why? I'm a position fiend. And hands that flop draws (especially non-nut draws) are just brutal oop- a lot moreso than pp's or big cards. Having initiative helps, but not enough to make opening them (sc's) in ep profitable in most lineups. IMO.
Suited connectors don't make nut flushes, but they do make nut straights--doesn't this compensate enough to make them playable in EP (it has to help right)?
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Read it all thanks for the great read and goodluck
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Loved this read, u grew up at O11 am I right? Very cool to read as I have been developing my game there over the past 4 years, grinding out the 2/3 and 5/5 games. See a lot of myself in your post, I have made my decision to stick with my day job, and grind out the nl games a few times a week for the extra
Cash. Pleasure to have u around the boards, really enjoyed your post, good in your next venture!
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Old 02-23-2012, 10:47 AM   #97
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good & interesting read. couple of q's

1) anything in regards to my PM to u a cpl months back after the incident?

2) I remember you using the "something really weird just happened in that hand" line before involving me in a hand before, coincidental or? which leads me to

3) Your thoughts on my game & feelings towards me

in any case I think i owe you $500 next time we run into each other. I'm actually quite surprise you havent shown up since then.
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Re: 2k- a poker story (wtmfl;dr obv)

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Suited connectors don't make nut flushes, but they do make nut straights--doesn't this compensate enough to make them playable in EP (it has to help right)?
I got very good at hand selection between '04 and '08. Then I moved to Vegas and started playing uncapped. Stacks were very often 500+ bb effective, and almost everyone who sat that deep had no business doing so. I literally started playing any 2 from any position. I would then either flop a miracle and massage the pot for some nice value, or rep scare cards/boards and use tons of aggression/over bets to try and win that way. Some boards I wouldn't bother bluffing obv, and against the better players I would balance/level.

Nl evolved though and people started sitting shorter, pot controlling, and playing a lot less fit or fold. I realized that I absolutely sucked at hand selection for these game conditions. I started a thread on here asking for help and surprisingly I got a lot more contributions than flames. I gained a lot from that thread, and I continue to work on my preflop game as it's still easily my weakest street.

Here are my current thoughts on ep (maybe someone better at pre can comment as well):

In normal games with fairly competent players and 100bb average stacks, you want to be opening hands that can win unimproved, or big cards that can flop one pair and often win. You can also play small pp's as long as the players behind you aren't too good/aggro- they usually flop huge or not at all.

You don't really want to open anything else because you will flop dominated so often (when you flop something) and you will be without the 2 overs when you miss and Cbet (that equity is important). You will also lose to missed draws a lot when you cbet air and it gets called once and then checked down.

As games get softer and deeper, you can start adding other hands to your ep opening range as well, but I'd start with Axs before any sc's because it only makes the nf and can flop one pair and win.

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Old 02-23-2012, 05:46 PM   #99
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Loved this read, u grew up at O11 am I right? Very cool to read as I have been developing my game there over the past 4 years, grinding out the 2/3 and 5/5 games. See a lot of myself in your post, I have made my decision to stick with my day job, and grind out the nl games a few times a week for the extra
Cash. Pleasure to have u around the boards, really enjoyed your post, good in your next venture!
Yeah, I grinded the O hard before I moved to Vegas. It was only me and maybe 1 or 2 other pros, and lots of awesome recreational players in the 10-10. Not only were the games amazing, but the environment was great/fun as well. I kind of wore out my welcome though, being the best player and running VERY WELL. I was always very cordial, semi-humble, fun, never berated a fish, etc, but eventually I started rubbing people wrong based on my winrate alone. I started getting a lot of resentment and even a couple threats of violence or whatever. I decided it was time to move to a bigger pond (Vegas), and I have worked very hard to disguise the hard working pro in me ever since--> most people think I'm a fish/rich kid action player when they first start playing with me (some think it forever lol) and I am more than fine with that.

I bounce around a lot now, and will never reg any small place like the O too much/for too long. It's just not good business imo...

If you are in the 5-5 a decent amount, there is a good chance I've given you a courtesy double up while partying or waiting for the 10-20. I hardly ever go there any more (I did for a while when I moved back) because I'm pretty convinced that place is rigged now--> no matter how good I get it in (and people love playing HUGE pots there) I never win .

GL, and I think you are very smart to keep your day job in the current poker climate.
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:10 PM   #100
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good & interesting read. couple of q's

1) anything in regards to my PM to u a cpl months back after the incident?

2) I remember you using the "something really weird just happened in that hand" line before involving me in a hand before, coincidental or? which leads me to

3) Your thoughts on my game & feelings towards me

in any case I think i owe you $500 next time we run into each other. I'm actually quite surprise you havent shown up since then.
Ftr, the "incident" mentioned ^^^ was pretty much just me lifting the cap in a 5-10 game (I announced it to the table) in a small casino because I was buried (there was precedent for this in this exact game), then winning a big pot off the best tipper in the joint 30 minutes later, then being accused of cheating (lmmfao) and being temporarily barred allegedly due to the combined efforts of people I never would have suspected/people who would benefit from me not being in the game, then me being coerced into giving villain a 1k rebate, then me being snap-reinstated like "hey, everything is fine now" only for me to say, "fu I'm outta here/life is too short for this bull****."

It's not really worth discussing (on here or anywhere) imo and I sent raidan909 a pm in hopes of squashing it once and for all and keeping this thread productive/litter free.
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