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09-27-2014 , 06:21 PM
villain handreads very well. we've briefly talked about poker strategy before and he'd assumed that i was playing gto against him. he's pretending to be on tilt to the rest of the table. (but i don't think he thinks there is any chance i am falling for it.)

i think my perceived primary leak against him is that i value own myself. villain probably finds the fold button more often than he should.

folds to hero on sb. hero raises to 160 with qq. villain calls in bb. effective stacks 11k.

flop(320): 477.

what is my plan? if i check, i think villain expects me to call 3 bets here with my hand. if i bet, villain would float with air pretty rarely, but i think he would raise all his 56, some of his 68, and some of his 7s. (he calls very widely pf here; his range is almost atc.)
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09-28-2014 , 07:36 AM
surprised nobody replied yet i'll give it a try!

this hand is tricky to discuss b/c the decision on how to play this hand is really dependent on who villain is and how he's playing that day. usually in these spots im pretty confident on what im going to do against specific guys but i think if he's an unknown and we perceive that he's a good player i think flop is a bet and heres why:

he figures you to bet this flop w/ almost everything you raised in the sb with (dunno how you play your A hi hands here against him on this type of flop.. how often does he expect you to ck/call down with strong no pair hands instead of betting?). because you just have the best hand here so often and he knows that his only value raising range on flop is a 7 or a fh he may not raise flop as wide as you think but might call w/ those types of hands that you listed instead. he also calls flop w/ a lot of hands that he thinks are best but prob wont bet them himself if checked to (ahi's, smaller pp's).
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09-28-2014 , 11:25 AM
I think either is fine and it's probably good to mix it up here.

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Originally Posted by cstevens
he figures you to bet this flop w/ almost everything you raised in the sb with (dunno how you play your A hi hands here against him on this type of flop..
I'd check Ax here. And the more we check our stronger hands here (as part of a balanced strategy), the easier it is for us to take our Ax, Kx, 22 type stuff to showdown.
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09-28-2014 , 08:51 PM
Well I cbet here 100% so... What could his flop raising range be? Seems a pretty standard 3 ball unless you can induce at some point. Board has to run out pretty bad for me to find a fold button. If I was in vills spot I am pretty much flatting anything. If he chooses to raise turn or river its a lot trickier.
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09-28-2014 , 09:05 PM
Having this hand in your checking range is good. That being said I think We should be betting most of the time. Betting the flop always allows us to get one street from A high, which he is checking behind always. I think this type of player realizes you are pretty much always calling at least one bet when you check the flop so unless you think he's going crazy with his air and firing 3 to get you off Ax, 4x, 22 etc I'm betting the flop more often then not and checking the turn usually when called.
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09-29-2014 , 06:01 AM
this one is so "it depends" it's crazy.

I guess it matters most what your perceived pfr range looks like and whether or not you are a pot controller.
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09-29-2014 , 10:09 AM
Def bet, you're miles up in your range. Like, you're pretty easy to play against if you only bet 7x and air. You're expected to fire here with high frequency.

Villain really shouldn't have a raising range here fwiw
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09-29-2014 , 04:20 PM
200$ dealer.
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09-29-2014 , 11:50 PM
bet flop check turn play poker?
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09-30-2014 , 02:15 AM
hero checks. my primary reasoning was that i had very few 7x in my perceived range and villain had almost all of them. effectively i was playing against a pretty polarized range (villain does have a bunch of 4x and some ace highs for medium strength hands, but in general his non-7x range is way weaker than my range). villain bets $240. hero calls.

turn (800): 6 hero checks, villain checks.
river (800): 6 hero?

Last edited by verite; 09-30-2014 at 02:44 AM.
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09-30-2014 , 03:43 AM
River seems like a gross x/f, depending on sizing

B/f is an option but I feel like you're only getting value from too thin a range (88,99)
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09-30-2014 , 10:46 AM
QQ in my cbet range here. Need some good reasons to change my mind.
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09-30-2014 , 03:28 PM
Depends on the villain, if he's aggro enough he could raise flop and bomb turn and river knowing he has a lot more 7s in his range than you do

I might check and let villain bluff off with J9o etc
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09-30-2014 , 04:35 PM
One way or another, you gotta be balanced/covered pre (at least in perception) against villains like this. Otherwise it's a leveling war oop every time. Cuz you don't stack off 275 bigs with overpair on paired board in single raised pots vs atc range. But then again, you both know this .

edit: so if pre is a raise, flop is a bet.
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10-01-2014 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by verite
hero checks. my primary reasoning was that i had very few 7x in my perceived range and villain had almost all of them. effectively i was playing against a pretty polarized range (villain does have a bunch of 4x and some ace highs for medium strength hands, but in general his non-7x range is way weaker than my range). villain bets $240. hero calls.

turn (800): 6 hero checks, villain checks.
river (800): 6 hero?
Our perceived c/c range on the flop is probably lot of A high, occasional overpairs, and some 4x, 22,33,55,66. Since he likely assumes that we would check our Ax hands on the river this hand has to be a bet imo. Getting raised is pretty gross since he can raise 6x for value pretty easily but he probably doesn't bluff raise since it looks so dumb.
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10-02-2014 , 10:59 PM
Unless you're pretty nitty you should be cbetting a fair amount more than checking.
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10-03-2014 , 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by AAismyfriend
Since he likely assumes that we would check our Ax hands on the river this hand has to be a bet imo.
you mean to balance 22/33/55? i am not sold that we should have a betting range on this runout but i agree that if we have one qq is in it.
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10-03-2014 , 01:23 PM
C/C, C/C, C/R

Let him triple barrel bluff.
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10-03-2014 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by AA_Anonymous
C/C, C/C, C/R

Let him triple barrel bluff.
You mean c/c-c/c-c/c? Raising the river would be pretty silly.
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