Local card room. Been at the table for about a half hour. I have raised and 3 bet more than anyone at this very passive table. KK, QQ, JJ, KJs, and 88 so far, nothing has been shown down, but I did make the river twice. The table is otherwise passive. I'm in seat 10 in middle position, and limped for $2 with 69 (b/c lol Big Lick for S&Gs) V1 & V2 (seat 1 & 2) also limp, finally the BB is the 8th limper in a 10 handed table and checks. Villain history: I have only played before at the Omaha 1-2-5 game with V2. Stereotype: mid-aged Asian gambling draw chaser lady.

Pot: $16
Effective stacks are around $300, I have all players covered.

Imagine my delight and surprise at the flop: 5 7 8

It checks to me, I bet 1/2 pot or $8. I figured I would take the $16 and lol.

V1 calls. V2 raises? To $18. It folds back around to me.

So, at this point, they have something but what? Set of 5s? 87? Same Hand? Nut flush draw (but why limp LP, still maybe) 9T draw? 65/76?

Clearly no reason to just call here. Right? Opinions on a "just call" option?

I raise to $68. This may not have been sized up enough, but it was still about 1.5x pot which seems reasonable. Opinions on raise size?

V1 calls. V2 re-raises to $200.

Hero?

Time to just call now? Time to shove?

TIA

Please don't include results, even in a spoiler, as they bias advice. Let the discussion run for a day or so and then give results. As for your additional question, it got caught in the edit, as I didn't want to bias my advice either, so I just deleted the entire spoiler unread.

If it is a result based question, please wait to repost it. If it doesn't give away results, feel free to repost whenever.

Pre is bad, but you know that. Flop lead is way too small on a wet board like that. Eight ways, someone has a FD, and someone has a pair+ SD or two pair, and they are not folding when they think they have good IOs. Go at least $15, and might be a good place for an overbet.

As played, obvious three bet is obvious. You might lose V1, but if you flat, you are offering draws ridic odds, and your hand is vulnerable to all sorts of counterfeiting. I like the big sizing for fat value/create commitment issues.

After the 4-bet, it really doesn't matter what you do now. The rest is obv going in vs V2, and rarely will shoving vs. calling make V1 much more or less likely to come along.

As I mentioned, didn't read results, but even if we're getting free-rolled by 69hh, we still want to GII after the flop three-bet.

As for their ranges, lots of NFD possible. AXs where X<9 is a super common limp in these games. Rest of that, and also 77 and 88 are also quite possible.

I wouldn't raise higher than you did, nows the time to go all in. What, they're gonna fold for 100 more? And getting V1 to fold isn't bad at this stage, most likely scenario is 1 of them has a draw and will call for the 3 way pot odds.

And yes I agree with previous comment that the lead should be pot or higher vs 7 opponents

Jam

FOLD PRE

wtf, the difference between calling or shoving is like 30 bucks, are you serious?

Fold pre obvi
Pot flop obvi
Shove as played obvi

Lock it up.

Fold pre, this is lolbad
More OTF, min bet is suboptimal
3! I like
Trivial shove now

I hope you got sucked out on for playing this hand.

You have the nuts and both players have shown quite a bit of interest. If you can't figure out what to do here, maybe you should just quit playing.

[Mod edit: Trolling strat threads is never allowed in LLSNL]

Limping is ok. Its leads to higher variance but its not a huge mistake. I don't play 2 gappers all the time but situationally its ok to play them, especially on a passive table. It appears you already had a 2-3 limpers ahead of you as well. If you were the first to enter the pot and limped from middle position, that is statistically different and a worse play. Again though, you'll have higher variance playing these style of hands even if its always limped pots.

On the flop, betting is $8 is ok. I think whoever calls $8 would call a PSB anyways. Personally, I am betting 10-15 in this spot. After a call and then a raise, you definitely have to 3!. Doing anything else is a colossal mistake. Your hand is still disguised at this point as well as V1 and V2. Your ranges should be similar. V1 or V2 could have 99 or 1010but I don't think V2 plays an overpair this way.

After your raise, V1 flatting indicates he probably has a good combo draw and maybe bottom 2pr. V2 going for the 4! tells me he is repping 64, 69, 88 and could easily have 67hh, A7hh, A9hh and a few other hands along those lines. With effective stacks of 300, you should be in jam city against a 4! to 200.

grunch.

fold pre ldo.

as played, you flopped the nuts on a 578 flush draw board with 8 limpers to the flop. Bet $20 minimum. Maybe even $30. You are almost guaranteed to get action. Somebody else hit this board reasonably hard almost always and I want to start thinking about how to get stacks in. The bigger the flop bet, the easier this is going to be on the turn or river.


As played, just ship it now.