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Old 04-04-2017, 03:47 PM   #1
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2-5 NL, Mistake after Mistake and then I make a hand...

2-5 NL 9-Handed

Villian $1800: Is currently getting killed this session. Being fairly active and not giving up in a lot of spots. I have seen him show multiple bluffs, during the session.

Hero $2850: Is playing super LAG. Got stuck a buy-in early, but I have been controlling the table up until this point. I have also owned villain this session. Picking him apart by bluff catching, value betting, etc.

Hero opens to 15 (std raise) from MP with 45. Light I know but I have control over the table and feel I can turn this into a winning hand long run.

Button calls 15
Villian from SB makes it 60 to go
Hero calls (Mistake I know but I made it, and now want to play it the best I can)
Button Calls

Pot: $190
Flop comes KQ4
Villian checks (expect him to bet here always, weird to me that he checks)
Hero checks
Button checks

Pot:$190
Turn is a 5
Villian leads for 125
Hero makes it 350
Button folds
Villian makes it 500
Hero calls (Should we be calling this?)

Pot: $1190
River is a 10
Villian beats 150
Hero calls (I planned on folding to this river, but he ended up betting $150!!!)

Thougths?

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Old 04-04-2017, 07:56 PM   #2
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Re: 2-5 NL, Mistake after Mistake and then I make a hand...

Fold pre both times. FFS you have 5 high. This is a largely -EV play 99.8% of the time. You're at the stone cold bottom pf your opening range; calling the 3-bet is even spewier than the original open. And if you start opening hands like this, you're going to become a target for 3-bets by good players IP. Yeah sure you probably feel invincible, but your skill edge doesnt warrant opening 5 high from MP.

Turn is a flat call. Calling the turn 3-bet is alright.

AP, call river.
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Old 04-04-2017, 11:23 PM   #3
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Re: 2-5 NL, Mistake after Mistake and then I make a hand...

I'm fine with preflop. You have position on a guy super deep who will make worse mistakes than you (maybe not this hand, but overall), with a hand that can either flop big or nothing. I'd rather have this hand than A10o in this situation.

Flop is fine. Turn doesn't make sense. You raised 225 to 350, and then he raised another 150 to 500. does not compute.

Regarding turn raise in general, I don't like it. You shouldn't really have too many raises here. You should be betting most of your Kings here, as well as your set of fours, and the 5 on the turn really shouldn't change much (even though it made your hand), so you are really representing very little here. You are representing 55, 45, and then other than that it's draws like AJcc, A10cc, 109cc, etc...

If he repopped you small, I'm calling.

River....I ****ing hate these bets. They are such tough bets to defend against, because they are obvious blocking bets, but even when you raise, I find players at these levels oftentimes level themselves into calling anyways. That being said, you can't end up with much worse on this river (maybe a missed J10o or 67o), so if there's ever a hand to balance your value shoves with, this is it. If you got the stones, I might push here to try and get him to lay down KQ, QQ, or KK (which is what his story has told me so far).
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Old 04-05-2017, 09:17 AM   #4
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Re: 2-5 NL, Mistake after Mistake and then I make a hand...

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If you got the stones, I might push here to try and get him to lay down KQ, QQ, or KK (which is what his story has told me so far).
Great Post Thanks! Ya I am sure I messed up on the turn action but it is close.
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Old 04-05-2017, 11:18 AM   #5
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Re: 2-5 NL, Mistake after Mistake and then I make a hand...

the turn bet seems like total Kx blocker ... Anything for value would size considerably bigger i would think. Not going to comment on the turn as it was already said, however the river is a call unless you feel hes super weak ... then maybe Raise/fold to a jam.

Call>Raise>fold
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Old 04-06-2017, 03:57 PM   #6
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Re: 2-5 NL, Mistake after Mistake and then I make a hand...

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2-5 NL 9-Handed

Villian $1800: Is currently getting killed this session.
How is someone sitting on $1800 at a 2-5 game getting killed?
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Old 04-07-2017, 02:00 PM   #7
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Re: 2-5 NL, Mistake after Mistake and then I make a hand...

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How is someone sitting on $1800 at a 2-5 game getting killed?
wut. some games have a 1.5k cap. even at 1k cap its not hard to be in for a handful of buyins
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Old 04-17-2017, 11:16 AM   #8
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Re: 2-5 NL, Mistake after Mistake and then I make a hand...

Preflop: I don't mind the raise from MP and calling the raise could be dicey. However that all depends on your perception, at the time, of the villain and his intent. Folding is probably better than raising but I don't mind it as a one off. You have some history with the villain but what we don't know is how often he has been 3-betting, you specifically and the table in general.

Flop: Seems standard. No reason to bet.

Turn: I think calling is better than raising for a number of reasons. Namely, I don't think at this point your hand is strong enough to represent much unless you walked into a set on the turn. Most LAGs would've bet their draws/sets/2pr on the flop after the pre-flop raiser checked the action over. After raising, you are locked into calling his over the top and going to the river. If he raised larger, folding definitely has more merit but you still would have to evaluate.

River: Call. While not a card you necessarily want to see, you are have to call based on that value.
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Old 04-17-2017, 02:31 PM   #9
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Re: 2-5 NL, Mistake after Mistake and then I make a hand...

jam river
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Old 04-20-2017, 08:03 AM   #10
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Re: 2-5 NL, Mistake after Mistake and then I make a hand...

I like the call on the turn the more i thnk about it. His ranged is still uncapped and we could easily be up against KK here.

Only hand we beat on turn is AK, AKcc. River we lose to everything besides a dumb AA and AK. I probably still call as well man.
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Old 04-20-2017, 08:54 AM   #11
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Re: 2-5 NL, Mistake after Mistake and then I make a hand...

Agree with jamming
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:17 PM   #12
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Re: 2-5 NL, Mistake after Mistake and then I make a hand...

Think this is a terrible spot and a bad hand to bluff with. I know we gotta be all doug polk GTO nowadays but this is a 2/5 game with a tilted stationy villain that OP has been "owning" the entire session. You're trying to rep a bd flush in a 3bet pot against a tilted fish who is repping sets himself. He can also has some weirdly played one pair hands like AA or AK that were trying to trap you on the flop, which makes calling getting 9-1 way more +EV than bluffing IMO.

JT would be better to bluff even though you shouldn't​ have gotten to the river with this line, but you also shouldn't be in this spot with 54 either.
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Old 04-23-2017, 09:22 PM   #13
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Re: 2-5 NL, Mistake after Mistake and then I make a hand...

Initial raise pre is fine. Probably just fold to the 3bet is best. As played jam.
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Old 05-01-2017, 06:08 AM   #14
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Re: 2-5 NL, Mistake after Mistake and then I make a hand...

in my 5/T game, very very few players will fold a straight, very few will fold set, few will fold 2pr, and a lot would fold 1 pair.

Bigger rooms, more tourists, shoving might work but thats a bit too risky for me.
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Old 05-03-2017, 02:17 AM   #15
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Re: 2-5 NL, Mistake after Mistake and then I make a hand...

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Agree with jamming
what's the logic behind jamming?

Do we ever get worse (AK, AA) to call a jam on the river?
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Old 05-03-2017, 07:52 AM   #16
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Re: 2-5 NL, Mistake after Mistake and then I make a hand...

No I don't think so

I think we win the pot almost always though
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Old 05-03-2017, 08:09 AM   #17
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No I don't think so

I think we win the pot almost always though
Maybe, but turning a hand that has SDV into a bluff doesn't seem optimal.
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Old 05-03-2017, 02:51 PM   #18
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Maybe, but turning a hand that has SDV into a bluff doesn't seem optimal.


Why not win a pot 100% of the time as opposed to 70% of the time or whatever it is if we jus call?
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Old 05-03-2017, 02:55 PM   #19
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Why not win a pot 100% of the time as opposed to 70% of the time or whatever it is if we jus call?
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