lol, wtf flop were you hoping for?

fistpump snap

From OP:
"Has table covered.* lot of histiory w him..he loves to overplay draws by shoving flops etc. Saw him raise / shove open enders many times...he likes to put the pressure on."


I think you are going by the strength of your hand combined with the profile of the V. You may think you can wait for a better spot, but for me this is the better spot you have been waiting for.

I think it's a combo of factors for calling - the strongest being the villain (hopefully our read is correct), our hand strength, and villain's likely range. Has villain open shoved like this before? Open shoving is a bit different than semibluff raising on a draw, or betting a draw. What types of hands is villain opening from early position?

(Btw, this might be a fold preflop if you're having this much trouble playing post.)

As played, snap this off vs this villain. Roughly 150bb effective and you flop just about the best that you could hope for (barring AAT).

Hope you reloaded if you got coolered.

*It's also possible our read of villain is incomplete/a little off.

I think the problem is less a math/stack depth question, and more a villain dependent one.

Sucks for you, since I guess you ran into the fishy ol' "f*ck me, I'm stuck so many dollz, I want it back quick so I'm just gonna overshove bottom set here and hope he snaps with an ace".

I've seen it happen before, but yes obv call ffs.

"Waiting for a better spot" is one of the biggest myths in poker. You should be taking every +EV spot you are offered.

Snap call. Sorry you got coolered/sucked out on. (Probably the former)

CG poker is about making ev+ plays, it's not like MTT where you can find situations where it's better ICM wise or bc of a possible edge you have on the table to wait to have a better equity (because you only have one life on a mtt and can't reload), but in a CG it's a non sense not to play a Cev+ =$/€/£/moniez/ev+ spot.

Yeah sure you could make the nuts and have him to give you everything with 0 equity but 1) he could give his money to another player before 2) you very rarely make better hands than TOP 2 pairs on the flop (without any str8/flush possible,so you're only beat by sets that are not gonna play this way IMO, and if he is using his tilt to play this way you would have lost a bunch anyway)

Call and hold and take the money.


(I would have snap called in 2 seconds honestly, would be such a loss of value with a set because if you only have one pair, even AQ you're not gonna call, so you basically have the nuts )



EDIT : apparently people before me did agree with what i said : D

Results:

Hero almost falls out of chair as he insta-calls.

Board: A 10 2 2 2

V : 10,10
Hero: A, 10

Hero reloads.

Since then, ive seen villian insta donk overshove with nuts again in a 300 pot.

Hmmm...me thinks V has nuts too often when overbets

That's something you will adjust too now that you've seen villain over-bet. With the info you gave in the OP, it's a snap call all the day.

Idiot Vilain won't make money anymore if he continues to play his nuts that way

?? Couldn't get any better, so snapcall.

I don't know how this possibly could be a call, less than $200 in the pot and he just straight ships $6k in a 2/5 game. I just want to let that sink in. This is a 2/5 game. Yes, I have seen the results but I would fold 22 pretty fast but probably call 1010. The most I can stack off for here on the flop is probably 1k, and that is pushing it. Regular players, even the bad ones just don't do this with atc or really even ak. I am a massive station, but this isn't even remotely close to a call, I make face up and pray that I am shown a bluff, I thought I had seen all the worst plays in poker but for this to be a bluff, it would be the worst bluff I have witnessed in ~8 years of playing at least semi regularly in casinos.

The best you could possibly ever be here is 59.5%, and that is pretty unlikely.

So since you fold 22 the guy gets action from a weaker hand only if you have TT and him AA ?
So don't you think he is missing tons of value if you fold third nuts ?
Don't see why you would 22 when only 6 combos beat you.

Yeah after i know, there isn't any logical explanation to the question "Why would he bluff or shove a weaker hand to win only 200$" but in the same time "Why would he make you fold anything except second nuts if he wanted value ?" Would be horrible LOL : D

So i guess he made a nice triple range merge making you fold third nuts and making people snap call top 2

But i guess people saying to snap are closer to the truth than you are.

With nice check raises and bets he can get to the river and stack you if you have TT 22 or AT, so i don't think he will make more money with his donkshove.
Best way to make you fold hands like A2 so i don't think it's a good play at all

Preflop, I think fold > raise > call.

The flop confuses me a lot. I've changed my mind four times already about what action I'd take. I guess... call?

TBH I almost always fold to overbets, and an overbet this gross I would think would be the nuts most of the time. Unless I was sure villian was completely clueless or massively drunk/on drugs I just fold here. It's not exploitable and if he shows you a bluff than good for him. This deep there just is no point to calling with nothing in the pot. If you play with him a lot and he starts doing it 1+ per session than I could see calling with A10, but even then that would be the aboslute minimum. If you can't find a better spot to get your stack in then switch tables because you are making a pure (-ev imo) gamble and not using any of your skill/experience to give you an advantage.