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06-05-2016 , 05:55 PM
Hello, this hand is against an unknown who is a young asian who seems to be playing competently, and is also way up from what I can tell. The only big hand I've seen him play he checked back a straight on a 3 flush board on the river. But he's been raising a lot preflop, once he raised with 56o from MP and cbet flop, gave up turn, river.

Villain (covers) (EP+1)
Hero (1.5k~) (SB) QQ

10$ straddle is on.

Preflop: Villain + 2 others limp to hero, hero raises to $65, everyone folds except villain.

Flop($155) 10::74 Hero bets $115, villain calls.

Turn($385) 9 Hero bets $225, villains raises to $500, Hero calls.

River($1385): A Hero checks, villain bets $500 (Hero has 250~ behind), Hero folds.

I'm looking for input on the turn mostly, and possibly river. I'm kind of just lost all over the place in this hand because his line kinda makes no sense.

Bluff-lead shoving the river came into mind as I have the Q blocker and I think he folds almost all his 2 pair combos.

Is checking the turn better? I don't really like check/jam vs basically unknown, and I don't like re-jamming over his turn raise.
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06-05-2016 , 06:34 PM
I probably just 3bet the turn given the stack sizes
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06-07-2016 , 01:00 AM
Pretty subjective but I'm closer to wondering if we're getting the 4:1 ott


Also don't think those type of dudes would be folding better hands often enough, were we to bluff rivers
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06-08-2016 , 12:17 AM
I think you bet too large on every street. Especially vs given villain, who probably has a wide range preflop. He had a great opportunity to leverage your stack on the turn. Almost every single card in the deck changes the nuts on the river, which means the in position player is favored. With your large flop bet you let him fold a lot of his range without it being very exploitable, so he has a fairly strong range going to the turn, despite being at a massive range disadvantage preflop. Then you do it again on the turn. You can jam at this point, but your hand is pretty face up so the only reason to do it is to fold out his equity, correctly. So i don't think that is a good plan.

River I think you should call, you need to be good like 28% of the time or something and you block his most likely improved river hand. I'm not worried he has AT or A9 here. Oh and if he is a goddamn champion and folds a little more than 10% of his range that beats you (9T, 45 clubs, 56c seem the only ones that consider it) you should jam instead of call.

Villains hands on this flop are going to have polarized equity vs our range. We should be betting a lot of hands here, possibly all of them. Cause of that we can't bet too big, so probably $50 on the flop.
Turn is a worse than average card for our range but we still have dominating equity with a lot of our range so we are going to keep betting. If we had bet 50, there would be 255 in the pot with 1.4k behind, so we can bet like $75, which would give us 505 in the pot with 1.3k behind, which makes it expensive for villain to risk our whole stack in a single round of betting.

We do have a larger sized betting range here, probably two pair plus so like 12 combos, but we need to give 5 of them up to our smaller sizing to protect it (aces are a great part of that range), so we have 8 combos that we're going to add 10ish bluffs to, use your imagination. You'll want some flush draws of both types, gut shots, and oesd. That sizing would be like $300-$350. We're going to be jamming the river on a lot of cards.
I'm assuming that you don't have 68s/J8s in your range here, and that he is unlikely to have them. The more he has them the less you can bet large and just have to have a small betting size.
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06-16-2016 , 04:24 AM
Am I the only person who thinks it should be a nitty fold on the turn?? What semi bluffs hands are in his range to justify a call?

Hands that we beat:

We block and Qx club combo, and turn is a 9c, so the only hands in his bluffing range are 8x club, and there are only one possible combos that would make sense for villain to float us oop after limping in from UTG+1, 78cc.

9x diamonds, again, I think 98dd would c/r the flop, but whatever, 96dd, J9dd and maybe QJdd (I think villain would raise that from UTG+1, but whatever, lets go with best case scenario here), A9dd, K9dd,Q9dd

Hands that we lose to:

There are 3 combos of T9 suited plus maybe random T9o hands (half the combos), combos of 44 plus J8cc, 68cc, 68dd, J8dd

Against that range:

we have about 26% equity on the turn. so to justify the call, you would have to read villain as very bluffy and check raise with some random garbage.
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06-16-2016 , 06:12 AM
I agree^ fold turn. Can't remember the last time i saw a random (maybe anyone) bluff here
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06-16-2016 , 01:43 PM
b/f turn is good.

I also go smaller on flop and smaller on turn. 95 on flop, 160 on turn. Fold.
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06-16-2016 , 01:58 PM
You have to manufacturer a flush draw hand he would do this with that you beat. It is just such a marginal spot. Why battle villian here unless you know he semi bluffs turns alot and you have to know for sure he does which in live poker is kind of tough to know. The average player has you crushed here alot. his limp calling range is so wide he has sets, two pairs, gut shots that floated the flop and hit it on the turn. bet fold here is totally fine on the turn obv. I agree with ucdlacrosse that betting smaller is fine because it rarely induces and they wont exploit you.

your hand on the river is pure trash now that the Ace of clubs hits.
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06-23-2016 , 03:07 PM
Based on description of the player, fold turn. He has a wide range preflop, the board is all over his range, and we have no reason to think he's getting fancy with a marginal hand.
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