10/20NL 300 bbs deep

[bamboo6386]

Villain is a late 20's Asian guy. I've played with him for about 5 total hours over 2 days. He seems taggish but not live tag. opens a ton in position doesn't 3 bet a lot but more than most live regs. I haven't seen him do anything crazy or unorthodox. I haven't seen him get out of line at all post flop. or pre for that matter.

Hero's image is TAG. I've been playing pretty snug. Just generally card dead, and not a lot of good spots to really do anything.

We have no significant pots or history.

Effecitive stacks. 6k


9 handed 10/20 NL

Villain Raises UTG+1 to 70. Hero calls w/ KQ. everyone else folds.

Flop: T 7 7 (pot 170)
Villain cbets 120. Hero calls.

I could raise here, but opted not to cuz Villain has been pretty snug and I figured I could take the hand away on later streets if he has Ax or small pair.

Turn K (pot 410)
Villain checks. Hero bets 220. villain calls.

River A (pot 850) brings me nut flush.

Villain checks. I bet 450. Villain ch/raises to 1850. 1400 more.

HERO? is hating life. wtf.

[cstevens]

this is a pretty sick spot. i dont mind folding since this guy seems pretty good (ie. prob will be ck/calling all smaller flushes instead of raising). of course he could have air but its pretty hard for him to have air here. he should have aa here like always.

[TimeBomb]

Painful to say, but fold. River c/r is pretty weird. Also like flop raise better than call.

[blueheel23]

Given villain description, I think this is a fold but I hate it. Sick spot. I think he's got AA/TT here almost always. Both make sense with the way the hand played out if he has some certainty you will continue aggression. Online or against a tricky LAG, I'm probably calling here but not against a TAG in live poker. Just not enough bluff frequency on boards like this live to justify a call.

[IronedSheik]

I guess I fold and wait for a better spot. Having said that, given descriptions, your line looks somewhat bluffable. OP doesn't say what position you're in, but it's hard to give you too many heart combos other than the one you have, no? Leveling as to whether he thinks you know that he knows that, I suppose. Raise flop.

[BoredAtheist]

I'd fold preflop.

Flop looks fine to me.

I'd check the turn. If you're ahead, you're way ahead, and so you want to check to induce. If you're behind, you want to check for a free card. So either way, you'd rather check. The only reason to bet here is if you bluff this turn a lot, and you want to balance your bluffing range, but I can't think of many hands that I'd turn into a bluff here.

As played, I'd bet/fold the river. Even against most maniacs, I think this is a fold. I don't think live players ever bluff in spots like this.

[OMGClayDol]

lol_wait for better spot

[blueheel23]

Originally Posted by BoredAtheist

I'd fold preflop.

Flop looks fine to me.

I'd check the turn. If you're ahead, you're way ahead, and so you want to check to induce. If you're behind, you want to check for a free card. So either way, you'd rather check. The only reason to bet here is if you bluff this turn a lot, and you want to balance your bluffing range, but I can't think of many hands that I'd turn into a bluff here.

As played, I'd bet/fold the river. Even against most maniacs, I think this is a fold. I don't think live players ever bluff in spots like this.

I'm very confused on this. Why fold pre? Do you not want to play a fairly good hand IP HU? Really??? Why check turn there? He has plenty of hands that will call with worse, why not get value out of them now before a scare card like a flush comes on the river that you may not get value out of. Not betting the turn would be horrible IMO and your analysis seems very R/O.

[Aplomb919]

Check turn, call river.

[pgcounty]

fold river.

[bluefingin]

I think raising flop is pretty mandatory, we can get value from weaker draws and fold out some hands that have good equity against us.

I also think your turn bet is a bit small. 280ish is better imo.

As played I fold river, you get shown a boat here quite often imo.

[masaraksh]

fold river

[Climhazzard]

i dont see how he has a boat here. why would he check the turn with 10s full or kings full? there are many draws he can get value from by betting turn.

Why would he check AA on the turn also?

there aren't many weaker flush combos though that he would raise utg+1, and i feel hed bet the turn with a flush draw..

so now im clueless as to what value hands he has.

at the same time how can he be blufing really?

His line makes zero sense, which in this case worked for him. what was the timing on his c/r? did it seem planned or spontaneous?

conclusion: i don't think he ever has a flush or trips, and I don't think he is bluffing. his line for a full house is weird, but given the fact that he c/r a river means he is potentially "tricky" enough to play a full house weird, means I fold.

I think he has 1010

[bluefingin]

You're asking why he would check turn with a boat?

V-bets are going to fold out a large number of draws that might get there on the river.
Checking induces bets from draws/air.

I could also see someone checking AA on turn for pot control.

[Finister18]

Originally Posted by Climhazzard

i dont see how he has a boat here. why would he check the turn with 10s full or kings full? there are many draws he can get value from by betting turn.

Why would he check AA on the turn also?

there aren't many weaker flush combos though that he would raise utg+1, and i feel hed bet the turn with a flush draw..

so now im clueless as to what value hands he has.

at the same time how can he be blufing really?

His line makes zero sense, which in this case worked for him. what was the timing on his c/r? did it seem planned or spontaneous?

conclusion: i don't think he ever has a flush or trips, and I don't think he is bluffing. his line for a full house is weird, but given the fact that he c/r a river means he is potentially "tricky" enough to play a full house weird, means I fold.

I think he has 1010

I agree that this seems like a strange line for a full house and certainly a full house represents the majority of his value range. I also agree that he doesn't have much of a bluff range. So in essence, I don't think Villain's line makes much sense. Typically, when things don't make sense, that's a good time to call. In the heat of the moment, I probably fold, though, thinking that he can never be bluffing and that he has to have it somehow. But I think I might regret it later. . .

OP played hand a bit atypically for the cards he has (as noted by many posters). I doubt Villain gives OP many flushes; maybe he does therefore c/r a smaller flush on the river for value (instead of just a c/c). Not many of those though. . .89 played very passively, but board paired maybe makes that more plausible?? IDK, probably just trying to come up with a reason to call to satisfy my curiosity.

Tough hand. I can understand why you were hating life at that moment.