Super tight player raises 60 UTG. huge fish #1calls, 2nd fish calls, I call in CO w/77. strange old man on button calls. blinds fold.

FLOP 78T rainbow.

Tight raiser checks, huge fish #1 leads 80(?), 2nd fish moves all-in 540. I flat. Strange old man ships it for 1600. folded back around to me.

my thoughts on flop flat: Huge fish #1 has about 3000 and so do I. his tiny lead could be a feeler or the nuts since the board is rainbow. fish #2 is pretty passive, but hes short and AI so his ship is sorta wide probably. back to the present: Strange old man is generally snug but has been drinking heavily. I'm viewed as meh TAG/semi lag.

my move?

ya ur flat vs fish#2 is good cause it lets the other players do something stupid, so dont disappoint them by folding.

luckily your a good player so if you lose its no biggie and ur prob ahead, but if strange old man has the nuts you can drawout and make him tilt and win more when he rebuys.

cant fold.

and the fact that hes been drinking makes it easier.

Pretty easy call after having flatted the shorties shove and being well committed you're really only fcked if he has a higher set. If you were last to act then I guess it'd be a tougher decision.

gotta call.

yeah, sucks seeing tens here.

call and pray old nit went crazy with AA cuz one of the fish shipped it all in.

AA is very unlikely because he flatted on the button as the 4th or 5th in.


You can never fold for 1100 more. Maybe if the strange old guy was the one with 3k you could consider folding.

OP you do realize that you have a set and he's shipping for only 80bb right???

personally I would've just shipped it myself instead of flatting & creating problems...

lol i love letting bad players play their hands perfectly instead of making horrible mistakes.

Ya but both of the people who shipped are pretty snug and shipping into live hands. Like I said im viewed as TAG. Once I flat 540 I really cant have a draw, no one thinks I'll draw dead to a chop. If the old dude is shipping 2pair/overpair isnt he turning it into a bluff? why would he bluff in a situation where he never expects me to fold, has an allin in front and a live hand behind him?

2 pair/overpair isnt necessarily a bluff here.....Im not folding given the 540 thats in there.....your basically flipping if old man has half a brain, but since hes drinking and might be losing it there's some frequency where your crushing.

You're just as likely getting them committing their stacks with AA/KK/QQ/JJ/combo draws by reraising because they think they can see 2 cards... players like this often think I will call a big bet and if I miss the turn I will fold without thinking about pot odds etc.. and by reraising they also often make the mistake of thinking you are the one with the draws trying to force them out.

generally speaking vs "huge fish" as you described, why would you ever considering folding the flop for 80bb with bottomset? there would have to be unbelievably strong reasons for me to fold here vs a bad player as played.

how do the other guys in this hand ever have a big overpair in this spot besides maybe JJ?

also flop is rainbow so how can someone have big combodraws?

if they have some kind of hand they like (pair+draw,2pair ect) let them do what they do best and allow them to shove themselves thinking they have tons of FE/need to protect their hand.

if LA re-raises fish#2s shove for 540 then everyone folds everything including overpairs to the board if they somehow have them knowing their up against a big made hand.

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