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10/20 overpair against creative nit on safe board 10/20 overpair against creative nit on safe board

07-17-2014 , 09:26 PM
villain is a nit in terms of his starting hand selection. he does bluff (and tries to make a point of showing it), but i have never seen him totally spaz. he will sometimes overplay tptk. he usually plays a shorter stack (100-150bb) but today has bought in for 5k. so far he has run good in terms of flopping sets and having fish pay him off.

villain views me as a reasonably solid lag. a few months ago (we don't play often) he folded tpsk to me against a c/r on a dry board and asked if it was good. he has seen me bluff a lot against other players.

effective stacks 7k.

villain limps in ep (he limps all hands he plays in ep rather than raising them), folds to hero in bb, who raises to 80 with red aces. villain calls.

flop (170): qs5s2c. hero bets 125, villain raises to 450, hero calls.
turn (1070): 2h. hero?
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07-17-2014 , 10:28 PM
check and call
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07-17-2014 , 10:30 PM
What makes him so creative? Seems pretty straightforward to me. Since he seems straightforward I like bet/folding and bet/folding blank rivers.
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07-17-2014 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by daniel9861
What makes him so creative? Seems pretty straightforward to me. Since he seems straightforward I like bet/folding and bet/folding blank rivers.
I don't remember specific hands, but my general recollection is that he will sometimes check strong hands in position to induce, and in general he is betting a lot and varying sizing in a way that I haven't deciphered except for valuebetting big against fish.
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07-17-2014 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by AAismyfriend
check and call
c/c or c/f blank rivers?
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07-18-2014 , 01:47 AM
80 pre here is a travesty, we're 350 BBs deep OOP against a tricky player.
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07-18-2014 , 02:00 AM
how much are you making it? do you split your range with your sizing vs regs here?
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07-18-2014 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by verite
I don't remember specific hands, but my general recollection is that he will sometimes check strong hands in position to induce, and in general he is betting a lot and varying sizing in a way that I haven't deciphered except for valuebetting big against fish.
Pretty normal/optimal for someone who is nitty preflop to have a high aggression frequency postflop.

There's no evidence of this guy capable of running big bluffs so I stand by my line. If checking I would c/c turn and blank rivers against a non-polarizing sizing since he could be VBing KK and possibly AQ per reads.
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07-18-2014 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverScaredB
80 pre here is a travesty, we're 350 BBs deep OOP against a tricky player.
Raising bigger is not necessarily better here, because
1. We never get folds from pairs, which win proportionately larger pots (so in the long run we get similar results from any sizing)
2. We get folds from a bunch of offsuit broadway hands that are drawing pretty thin against us

80 is the sizing I chose because I was confident he calls with 100% of his hands, and I have zero bluff range pre. I would only raise TT+, AK, AQs in this spot and use the same sizing for all of it.

What would you use?
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07-18-2014 , 02:59 AM
120 pre imo
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07-18-2014 , 03:00 AM
definitely c/c turn and i'd decide river based on his sizing.
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07-18-2014 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by AAismyfriend
120 pre imo
this is good but you have to at least have the perception of being balanced in this spot to get away with 120 pre. playing with a defined range deep HU OOP vs a good player is a nightmare
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07-18-2014 , 08:34 AM
pre is totally fine, don't see anything wrong whatsoever with $60-80 even.

is flop standard!?
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07-18-2014 , 11:09 AM
yea i dont think pre is bad at all i mean how much do you want to raise with your strong parts of your range here?
flop seems fine just c/c down now
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07-18-2014 , 02:16 PM
The pre discussion is pandora's box...

Lead/call/check/call.

How do you bet 125 in 10-20? Detroit?
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07-18-2014 , 05:04 PM
He doesn't seem like he is bad enough to have aq/kq here so we beat kk/axss/random bluffs. This guy doesn't look like he gets out of line much. His trickyness seems to be more disguising his hand than bluffing and his check raise his huge so would be proceeding with caution. Saying that the turn is one of the best cards in the deck for us and I can't imagine folding to any reasonable bet.
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07-20-2014 , 06:34 PM
I would raise bigger pre, and also c/c turn and c/c river. Sorrry, just not folding river for like almost any amount. Call me a spazz
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07-21-2014 , 11:16 PM
results: I bet 600, villain raised to 1250, and I folded. I did this because I felt villain would check back a lot of his draws and get a free card. I decided he would never minraise the turn with a draw. It did not occur to me he might flat KK preflop; I think that makes me think check/calling turn and river is better.
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07-21-2014 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by verite
results: I bet 600, villain raised to 1250, and I folded. I did this because I felt villain would check back a lot of his draws and get a free card. I decided he would never minraise the turn with a draw. It did not occur to me he might flat KK preflop; I think that makes me think check/calling turn and river is better.
I don't mind the bet ott, but I'm not folding to a minraise either. Most likely c/c river too.
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