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10/20: Oops, villain called, now what? 10/20: Oops, villain called, now what?

11-15-2015 , 01:17 AM
Mostly butchered this one.

EP, playing 50% of hands, rec player, ~3k: limps

BTN, 2.5k, new player, 30s, seems to know what he is doing: Raise to 100

SB, hero, 40s, 2.5k; 5/10 not running, so 2nd time playing 10/20: KQ : Thought about 3b, but just called. Others fold.

Flop(320): T93
Check, check, BTN 210, Hero 520, EP folds, BTN calls.

Turn(1360): A
Hero?

Looking back, wish I would have x/r more on flop. What now?
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11-15-2015 , 01:34 AM
Seems like a pretty easy jam, hard for him to call without at least an A and you can rep a big hand/look like you are protecting from draws. Imo he can have a10/axc for standard calls and maybe hero some overpairs. Flop raise should have been to 700 for a pot sized turn jam.
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11-15-2015 , 07:57 AM
good spot to 3b pre, size xr a bit bigger as you suggested, and rip turn for a psb. you can still cram the turn as played.
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11-15-2015 , 08:16 AM
I don't like 3-betting pre unless you think BU is going crazy with raising over limps here and/or plays terribly vs 3-bets.

Flop is definitely a lead. Your hand just really really wants a bet to go in on this flop, and honestly, doesn't play that great as a c/r. I mean obviously with a draw this good, c/ring can't be that bad, but I think it's inferior to c/c and lead. As played facing his cbet, you should check/call for the same reasons that you didn't 3-bet pre; you want the fish to come along with whatever inferior draw/pair/whatever he has. You have practically the same equity HU vs the BU as you do 3-way vs both players, so forcing the fish to fold some of his overcalling hands is kind of an EV disaster for you.

As played to the turn, ripping for 1.4p doesn't make a lot of sense with any hand in your range other than sets, which you probably didn't rep well with your small flop raise. You're probably better off just betting like 480 to rep the NFDs that turn the ace. That should be sufficient to fold out some Tx/JJ etc. It sucks when he shoves, but he was never folding any of his raise-all-in range to an overbet shove anyway.
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11-15-2015 , 12:19 PM
Lol at jamming 1.5x pot on turn, nothing screams a draw more

I like pf call, keeping a ton of hands in buttons range that you're dominating and keeping fish in pot.
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11-15-2015 , 09:33 PM
i don't like the idea of 3betting pre without specific reads. Turn size should be larger in general but especially when you want to set up a possible turn shove. AP i do think over shoving turn isn't great as i think it actually makes us look weaker then just betting pot. Think this is kinda the perfect card to continue and your flop sizing is gonna get peeled a lot so i think there is plenty to fold out. If you aren't gonna barrel this card i think you just just fold flop.
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11-15-2015 , 09:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BagOfSuck
Lol at jamming 1.5x pot on turn, nothing screams a draw more

I like pf call, keeping a ton of hands in buttons range that you're dominating and keeping fish in pot.
I suppose we could just bet 900ish and keep the rest if we brick, but i think ai does give us more fe. Really needed to size flop better for turn jam which should win us the hand most of the time especially on this turn.
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11-15-2015 , 11:45 PM
If you c/r to $800 then you can shove turn for a psb
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11-16-2015 , 01:22 AM
Good call pre, I think 3-betting is definitely worse here. Like others have said,just raise more if you want to be shoving on most turns. Just think a street ahead and do some simple math.
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11-16-2015 , 12:30 PM
Flop sizing is not good at all. With regards to later streets and these eff stack sizes, we want to raise more on flop to set up turn jam. This sizing is also bad when we have actual value hands because this is a super-wet board and with this sizing you price in basically everything.
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