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07-31-2014 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
What % of the time does this player type stack off 5k here with overpair?

He's pretty capped at at overpair, and we are not. It's also pretty impossible for him to think he's underrepped.

Punish the pf play imo.
Love this reply.. lots of subtle concepts that would make you a pain to play against if you think about things like these all the time and use to your advantage..

Last edited by 663366; 07-31-2014 at 04:09 PM.
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07-31-2014 , 04:23 PM
i misread the hand i thought u three bet and he called. i think flops really close.
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07-31-2014 , 11:26 PM
This seems like an overpair with the preflop-flop line... So river is a fold or bluff raise - just depends on how you think he will react and if he will realize your line is FOS. Most likely just better off folding given the read on the player.

I read through all the responses and the suggestion to unload is probably a high chance of success given there is little history between you and V and your image is snug. I think the sizing for this would be 400, 1200, 3100 - and expect him to never pause until the river. You would be risking 4700 to win 2200 (assuming river fold).. so you need folds ~70% of the time for this to be +EV. @90% folds, it is ~+1500 EV... just gotta sell it well. If you have seen him make good lay downs in the couple of hours, I would be more inclined to believe he finds the fold button.
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08-01-2014 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
villain isn't described as a fish. barreling off against a fish is mediocre at best. villain is young pro (prob way underrrolled) and he hasn't put any money in after the flop (including after he 3bet pre)--> nit.

he just doesn't stack off against op here with AA, it's that simple.
I am still surprised that you feel so strongly this way given villain's line. Pleasantly surprised.
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08-06-2014 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
What % of the time does this player type stack off 5k here with overpair?

He's pretty capped at at overpair, and we are not. It's also pretty impossible for him to think he's underrepped.

Punish the pf play imo.
Related question is how often this same player will fold if we file two or three barrels. If the answer is "very often," then it will be more profitable to barrel than to force a fold on the flop.

If we are going to rep a T or a boat super hard, then we need not be so afraid of giving free cards, as very few cards will improve villains hand enough to where he will be ahead of what we are repping.
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08-08-2014 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
villain isn't described as a fish. barreling off against a fish is mediocre at best. villain is young pro (prob way underrrolled) and he hasn't put any money in after the flop (including after he 3bet pre)--> nit.

he just doesn't stack off against op here with AA, it's that simple.
Just because he checked the flop doesn't necessarily mean he is a nit. That flop is no trouble at all for big overpairs, so villain could be looking to checkraise precisely because we are deep.

Now, that is not saying that betting isn't the right play OTF. However, we need to know how we will respond to a checkraise before doing so.

I think I would check the flop and then bet the turn when checked to a second time. Maybe what you are saying is that the flop bet would accomplish the same thing and not give a free card?

As played, I think you have put yourself in a spot where you probably have to call the river since your hand is so under-repped and he is probably betting his entire range.
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08-13-2014 , 05:07 PM
Just because we think we can get villain to sometimes fold AA/QQ doesn't mean we need to go bat**** crazy with JJ here. This hand seems stupid easy to play if we just check back flop, bet 1/2 pot turn. If he calls, he's likely checking river and we just knuckle back or decide to bet as a bluff based on any reads we pick up on turn. He's c/r and ck/call leading most rivers with all hands that beat us and we get to fold pretty easily. Doesn't seem that hard.
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08-13-2014 , 09:37 PM
Bet flop

1) We protect against AK which will likely call at least one bet.

2) We build the pot for when we turn gin 4% of the time

3) If he has a better hand he is betting turn and river most likely anyways, so to get to the river vs those hands we are facing two bets regardless. When we bet flop we uncap our range and get to decide what to do on turns where when called we can check if we decide to depending on how villain reacts to our bet.

4) We keep our range uncapped and can turn our hand into a bluff if we want. It would be really hard for him to call 400/1100/3000 with QQ+. I'm not saying we should do this necessarily, but given the fact that I think the most likely scenarios are us check / call bet turn / decide river and bet flop / check turn / decide river, I would prefer the option that gives us the opportunity to bluff should we decide to. Obviously checking greatly reduces the effectiveness of that.

Either way flop is close, no doubt about that. I could be convinced checking is slightly better but I think I prefer a bet of 360-400.
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08-15-2014 , 02:36 AM
Everyone is way overthinking this. This guy may well be a major spot, but everyone assumes without evidence that he's some sort of tricky poker expert instead. Your job is to identify the spot in the game and take all his money as quickly as possible, so stop pussyfooting around.

Random mediocre players play limp-3-bet with a range of exactly medium pairs + AK + AKs, at least where I come from. You're beating his entire range on the flop, modulo bad reads by the Lobster. But if I'm right, this play is indicative of a guy who will patiently wait for a pocket pair, then overvalues it when he does get it and changes from tight to loose. Bet the flop and see what he does.

As played, you played so weakly that the river bet could mean anything. You have to call even though a king is likely.
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08-18-2014 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
villain isn't described as a fish. barreling off against a fish is mediocre at best. villain is young pro (prob way underrrolled) and he hasn't put any money in after the flop (including after he 3bet pre)--> nit.

he just doesn't stack off against op here with AA, it's that simple.
do we know anything else about V? it's hard for a 25yo asian at these stakes to be a nit, especially if he had online past

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Originally Posted by jimmyvjv13
Bet flop

4) We keep our range uncapped and can turn our hand into a bluff if we want. It would be really hard for him to call 400/1100/3000 with QQ+.
idk, villain could feel compelled to call given he checked flop and could somehow feel his hand is underrepped
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08-25-2014 , 07:41 PM
I'm really curious and this might strike you as odd because I don't really see it asked around here. But which barrel when DGAF triple barrels these two runouts respectively: TT2rKo5o & TT2r4o6o is the most profitable barrel? I.e. garners the most folds for the best price? DGAF advocates sizing close to pot for a number of great reasons but this also means we get a worse price on bluffs in this spot and are really trying to fold out an extremely narrow range.

Does he fold AA most on flop, turn, or river?

Does he call with AA more often on the TT2K5 board than the TT246 board?

Thx
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