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Old 07-16-2012, 07:14 PM   #1
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10/20 Hero missed the world but wants to bruff

10/20/40 at aria, formerly hyper aggro table has calmed down now that weaker players sat down.

V1: Foreign, not sure from where but speaks English despite it not sounding like his native language. Hasn't played many hands at all but seems kind fishy. Plays 5 hands then leaves for 20 minutes at a time. 6k

Hero: playing LAG not sure V2 has any idea of this whatsoever due to lack of involvement in the session, up about 10k on the session and playing a lot of hands. 21k

two EP limps, V1 limps, hero raises QT to 160, folds around and one EP and V1 call.

Flop J96

EP and V1 check
Hero bets 280
EP folds
V1 raises to 800 (not sure what he does this with tbh, probably with more hands than he should)
Hero tanks 15 seconds and calls

Turn 3
V1 bets 1200
Hero tanks 30 seconds and calls

River 4 bringing the flush but not the one I want
V1 thinks 10 seconds and bets 1400
Hero wants to raise to 3800

I really want to raise here because his river bet is kinda small and I don't think he really likes that river much. I also think I really look like a draw (obviously I have one). River bluff raises are pretty rare and I haven't done one all week and although he doesn't realize this I think it would get a lot of credit. Thoughts on bruff?
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:03 PM   #2
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Re: 10/20 Hero missed the world but wants to bruff

you risk 3800 to win like 6k? fair enough i guess but I'm pretty sure I'm not pulling this on my std online aggrofish (referring to: not sure what he does this with tbh, probably with more hands than he should)
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:34 PM   #3
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Re: 10/20 Hero missed the world but wants to bruff

no one ever believes that the preflop raiser has a flush on a 3-flush board
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:54 PM   #4
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Re: 10/20 Hero missed the world but wants to bruff

great spot to bluff but not sure if id have the balls to pull it off.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:39 PM   #5
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Re: 10/20 Hero missed the world but wants to bruff

He doesn't look nutted based on his turn betsizing and the drawiness of the board. Can't decide if I think you need to make it a bit more on the river...
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:47 PM   #6
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Re: 10/20 Hero missed the world but wants to bruff

Very limited credibility line, vs kinda fishy unknown, laying him huge odds.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:27 PM   #7
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Re: 10/20 Hero missed the world but wants to bruff

I don't like it vs this villain
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:05 AM   #8
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Re: 10/20 Hero missed the world but wants to bruff

i like the way you played the hand each street, i actually would prob play the hand exactly the way you did.

the 1400 bet on river is no means a small bet for him. even though it really is, to guys like him its pretty bulky.

i just dont see guys like this fold sets/2pair here enough which is why the way you played the hand is optimal because when you make your hand you will get paid off big.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:25 AM   #9
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Re: 10/20 Hero missed the world but wants to bruff

wait how much does villain have left? 3800 puts him all in right? Looks fine to me.

I don't know about flop sizing. I'd prolly bet bigger on a wet board like this in general, but as an exploitative play it seems fine. I'm just wondering if betting half pot induced some light bluff raises from villains in general.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:33 AM   #10
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Clear fold fold fold
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:15 PM   #11
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Re: 10/20 Hero missed the world but wants to bruff

Well played- now fold river. We need more info about the villain do be able to make this bluff. People do not like to fold in live poker.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:24 PM   #12
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Re: 10/20 Hero missed the world but wants to bruff

Was this hand straddled to 40? If so, I'd raise bigger or call 40.

I'd fold river. Villain sounds potentially like the fishy/impatient type. If he has a set I think he'll tank for 3 minutes, say **** it it's a huge pot and I'm getting great odds, and crying call. Your LAG image doesn't isn't favorable either.
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:25 PM   #13
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Re: 10/20 Hero missed the world but wants to bruff

thinking about this from a game-theory and range perspective, i would love to bluff. we have basically the nut low, and can rep the draw that came in.

i'm not sure what would be better to turn into a bluff adax/adjx or this hand, but i'd be really tempted to do it with either. (i guess you can call ad/ax type hands)

i'm curious why people think this is such a snap fold. are live players really incapable of bet/folding a set or aj here?
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:37 PM   #14
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His bet sizing is strangly good for a fish... Is it his mannerisms or specific actns he's taken in hds to lead you to believe that's he's prob a fish? Country of origin could give us a marginally better read in this situation- By foreign do you mean asian or russian or scandinavian or middle eastern or ethiopian or wat?

Most fish and whales tend to bet (a lot) more on the turn with 2p+ on this board. Assuming he's a rec plyr, his hand after the turn bet looks like AJ a dec amt, KJ occasionally, and one of many big draws like 87d. His river bet could easily be either a blocking bet with AJ KJ esp if he's lagfish or a flush that doesn't think you have much of a hand to pay him off with.

On the turn you could certainly make a case for shoving bc 1. We get good fe v AJ KJ and frontdoor naked nfd 2. We get value fm weaker combo draws and 3. He doesn't share the fd with us and we therefore have a lot of equity against his draws that call and have us beat (30-40%... more often near-40%). To shove turn you'd have to be real sure he doesn't have 2p or set though.

On the river, without more reads, we don't have enuf info to narrow his range to AJ KJ and can't expect to profitably rai-bluff. Your tank-calls on the flop and turn don't help your story much either so now I just fold.

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Old 07-17-2012, 03:46 PM   #15
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Re: 10/20 Hero missed the world but wants to bruff

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i'm curious why people think this is such a snap fold.
you don't make your money in poker trying to bluff fish off of big hands
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