So what's your line now?

I bet more on flop, but I guess it's fine if your standard bet here with a draw or a bluff would be the same size. As played I'm flatting turn and never folding river vs a tricky opponent.

You induced a spaz on the flop. He's almost always drawing dead. Fold zero rivers, just hope he rivers top pair and bet when checked to.

am i the only one that likes a flop raise? you are 500bbs deep and are viewed as an asian who bought in deep capable of anything.

Hmmm maybe we were deep enough and he is good enough to put more money in on the flop if I make it 1800. But idk. I was just afraid he shuts down too often. Plus I'm gambling on the fact of a club not hitting so if he does in fact have an overpair I can look bluffy on the turn or river.

I like flop call; his flop raise looks pretty FOS to me, and he has to be on a pretty high thinking/sickness level to continue with a bluff if we 3bet the flop. In my experience, most good (but not completely sick) players will just shut down OOP if you 3bet flop even though they realize how thin your value range is -- you're still a relative unknown in the game, and "he's asian" isn't' really a good reason to stick 10k in on a hero bluff. Plus we have the fish behind us we want to keep in.

As played, call turn and never fold river, and obv jam the good ones.

Don't know why you bet flop so small unless you were just inducing. This deep and since you aren't really known a 3-bet is ok. As played I am just calling down, I am not sure if there are any unpaired rivers I am raising for value if bet into, obviously if checked to you are betting. I've seen players do this with A3/A4c, but not really any other hand. Villian seems competent and this is a pretty bad spot to just be clicking buttons and he is raising into 4 other players. I think if turn was blanker and you had the literal nuts you can raise here, but even if villian doesn't have straight you can and this should keep villian from stacking off even with sets.

A really good player isn't going to c/r anything otf this deep multiway. If you had some wild history together and it was hu I guess he might, but good players just aren't going to blow up the pot oop when they can't rep much more than draws and overpairs and will get floated a lot. His c/r makes more sense on an AK4 rainbow. So most likely this guy sucks and clicking it back otf sounds good.

Peple are really flatting when he bets 2800 on random rivers (K/9/etc)? Seriously? We're that worried that he iso-raised 34 from mid? Everyone is just so good at poker that they fold lower sets when we raise river?

I'm with you Fink. I don't understand why people are so afraid of 34 here. I understand not raising the turn because you want him to keep firing with his air, but calling because you're scared he might have the one combo that has you beat? lol I don't know what game people are playing.

Yeah I'm raising most rivers.

It just seems to me it is more of a semi-bluffing spot than a flopped tiny set c/r. If he can have 22 then he can have 34 (maybe clubs?), and for that reason I would rather 3-bet flop than flat, but a lot of other spots I would prefer flat (more history with villian etc). The problem with the turn is as much we can be beat as it is a hand than can beat villian, I think we are more likely to have this hand than villian and if he is smart this turn should scare him.

I bet a little smaller because 1. I'm on the button, 2. This is how much I'd bet in position on a steal, semi-bluff, marginal hand 3. Lot of potential for someone to spazz. 4. My hand is very disguised when all these pieces are put together.

I'll give you that.

What hand is villian supposed to stack off with other than sets or straights?

Yeah I'm not raising the turn. I was just saying the reasoning people seemed to have for not raising it is because he might have a straight.

In my mind I'm not raising because I just don't think he has anything and I want him to continue with his plan.

I thought he might have something like 77 or 88 that he CR'd on the flop because he thought my range was super weak which it should be, then decided to merge on the turn because now my hand looks like a draw or a marginal T that doesn't believe him.