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Old 06-10-2009, 09:33 PM   #1
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EV allin performance graph

what does the EV allin performance graph mean compared to the green graph line ( money won per hand)
I know what EV is but i dont exactly understand the relevance of this line??
help is appreciated,

Also, how do you copy a graph or stats from PT and put them in a thread here?? do i export to a different window first and then save it somewhere or what????

Thanks so much for the answers to these 2 questions!!
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Old 06-11-2009, 05:09 AM   #2
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Re: EV allin performance graph

The lines on the EV graph diverge when the amount you actually won differs from the theoretical amount you would win on average when you go all in. If you get all in when you are ahead you theoretically win a high proportion of the pot - if you actually lose the hand then the lines will move apart. If you win the pot the lines will still diverge (because you win more than your theoretical share of the pot) but by less.

To get an image of the graph, click the Expand (4-arrow) icon to the right and then you can Export it to an image file.
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:47 AM   #3
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Re: EV allin performance graph

Uh, how do I get to my EV graph? I see only 3 lines on my PT3 graph: overall winnings, showdown winnings and non-showdown winnings.

EDIT: nevermind, I just read on the PT forum that it wasn't added until Beta 27. I guess I'll have to upgrade.

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Old 06-11-2009, 09:35 AM   #4
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Re: EV allin performance graph

Indeed. For what it's worth, we've worked a large number of the known bugs out of the beta line with the Beta 28 release and do expect Build 5 to be released soon.
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Old 07-14-2009, 05:41 PM   #5
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Re: EV allin performance graph

So if I understood right if im 60/40 favorite and call or get called all-in the money expected line rises 60% of the pot?
Is it only determined by pots that go to showdown, not the ones folded?
So if I get my opponent to lay down a better hand by shoving that isn't included? In many situations shoving is +EV because of folding equity and dead money in pot, so I'd like a confirmation to how the graph is constructed.
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Old 07-15-2009, 05:04 AM   #6
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Re: EV allin performance graph

Yes, you're right - currently the EV graph only shows all in hands.
There is no way to know the exact EV of an uncalled all-in because it all depends on your opponent, which is unknown information. That said, there was talk of being able to assign a range of hands to your opponent so it may be possible to add an estimated EV for this kind of thing at some point.
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:56 PM   #7
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Re: EV allin performance graph

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The lines on the EV graph diverge when the amount you actually won differs from the theoretical amount you would win on average when you go all in. If you get all in when you are ahead you theoretically win a high proportion of the pot - if you actually lose the hand then the lines will move apart. If you win the pot the lines will still diverge (because you win more than your theoretical share of the pot) but by less.

To get an image of the graph, click the Expand (4-arrow) icon to the right and then you can Export it to an image file.
Hi, I am new to the forum.
So I guess the two quantities on the graph are expected to converge after a large number of hands. Is that correct?
Does any one have a practical estimate of the typical sample size one needs to see them roughly equal. I have a sample of about 3600 hands and they seem to be diverging currently.
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:19 AM   #8
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Re: EV allin performance graph

The sample size you need for convergence is going to vary significantly based on the equity values you are experiencing. The more disparate the EVs in question the longer convergence will take.

There are also some known issues with the EV graph and that may be causing some of your divergence as well.
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