I am playing a guy heads up for 3 hours tonight. I lose about 100 BB which shouldn't really factor into this but here is what happens next.

Guy tells me he is tired and says he is going to bed so I am like ok fine. I make a bite to eat and come back and see he has joined a 15-30 3 handed game.

I hop in to play this game and ask the guy if he wants to open a heads up table on the side.

Akromaxx jumps in and says it is not cool for me to ask the guy to play heads up as well and says if I make a thread his side will be right by the majority so I agree to post thread.

My response is I am completely in the right and in no way is this unethical.

For 1 we just played for 3 hours straight. And I didn't ask the guy to leave the table I asked him if he was willing to open another table and play more.

I see it no different than if I was playing a guy at lets say 200-400 live. We break for dinner and I come back and he is in the 100-200 game. I ask him politely if he wants to play me heads up. THE TABLE DOES NOT OWN THE PLAYER IMO and he is free to do whatever he wants.

Even if one were to consider this unethical since it is online I asked the guy if he would like to open ANOTHER table and continue the 3 hour marathon we just played.

Akromaxx dissagrees and I would like your opinions

Oh and also Akromaxx advised the guy NOT to play me heads up because it was a bad idea. If anything that took place at that table was unethical it was him telling the guy that!

I don't think it's unethical especially considering the back story. Unless he's trying to get him to one table and have the fish leave the current table, I see nothing wrong.

The guy quits you to play other games. You join his games and asks for HU again. I think its unethical but not completetely dbag style.

Complete asses sits out at 6max tables while asking a player for HU.

I didn't join "his" game to ask him if he wanted more. I joined "the" game to play in it because it was a good spot and played in it for an hr or so until it broke.

I merely asked a guy if he was up for another table.

Here is another scenario for everyone. If a fish asks a good player for heads up is this unethical?

If this whole dialogue takes place in the table's chat room, you both run the risk of tapping the glass. That having been said:

PlsFold is likely right to interpret that "The guy quits you to play other games," but I think the fact that the fish told you he was quitting for the night and then shows up later playing at another table allows you some leniency. You should be able to say something like, "Oh, you're still up. Did you want to continue our match?" even if you are essentially calling him out for the HnR. Fish should then be able to decide for himself if he wants to man up or not. The fact that you specifically suggest continuing your match "on the side" also makes this more acceptable since you're making an effort to resume your match without breaking up the game.

Given your description of how it all went down, I'm going to say it was not unethical.

The fish can do whatever he wants, which makes neither your comment nor Akro's comment "unethical," in my opinion.

Ethics in poker should be reserved for collusion, etc. Table talk -- even like this -- is part of the game, though nowadays in some casinos they will slap your wrist if you open your mouth when there's action and say something in an attempt to get a read. I mean, if you think what Akro said was unethical, or you're questioning your own ethics, shouldn't you also be questioning the fish who lied to you about beddy bye time?

It's all deception, which is at the heart of the game. You wanted the fish distracted while he played you HUHU. Akro wanted the fish to stay at his table. And the fish was satisfied with kicking your ass/ready to redistribute.

If this villain is truly a mouth breather and enough of a sucker to play you again, then he deserves what he gets. If he believes Akro after he walloped you in a 3 hour session, then he's an idiot to not play you again. (Kidding.)

For what it's worth, your live scenario would be extremely rare, and I just learned the other day why live fish hate to play short-handed: "The blinds come around quick."

Meh... sorta of the opinion that it's bad for the game to call out anyone at the table for a HU game regardless of circumstances, but ethics whatever, I know I've done it at times and certainly with the backstory not gonna call someone a dbag for doing it.

LOL, when I started playing online, I would quit any FR table as soon as it got down to like 6 players. Especially funny looking back on it now since these days I think 6 players is way too many.

Ha, yeah. That was sort of an "ah-ha" moment. For the longest time, I was confused why people -- even some regs -- wanted to break a table when it got short-handed. (The casinos always reduce the rake when the game gets short.)

It's rather fun in a live setting to observe the different types of people who are simply enthralled by what they see on TV and want to be a part of it. Kind of makes me wish I had a hoodie-only clothing line. Or had invented "beats" headphones.

China, I hate to be results-oriented, but I hope that you post the outcome when you receive the requisite number of replies.

Was having a productive session till the match with this guy.

he joined me @ 5-10 with 93.10 and I was multitabling another guy @ 5-10 at the same time.

I had 93.10 guy all in and he doubled up, then he ran it up to 500 and I challenged him to move up higher.

We move to 10-20 and he runs it up to 1400. I challenge him to go to 15-30 and he joins a 6 max table I had open. He can't find HU table cause his skin has diff 15-30 HU tables.

We go back to 10-20 and he runs it up to 2500.

Guy hit 20+ sets on me and I made 1 to this point. From what I remember he made trip qs 5 or 6 times, trip 7s 3 or 4 times and trip 2s 3 times and a bunch of other foul beats.

I got on a run and cut it to 1800 and then he quit me. So he took me for 110 BB total.

Move to 15-30 4 handed and I got back 500 or so and he lost 1k and quit and the game broke soon after that

/hublog

$93.10 lol that sucks. Still I feel like Burnsabre. Calling out ppl for HU no matter the circumstances are bad for poker. FL is having such a small playerpool and asking specifics for HU kinda sucks. No hate, just my 2 cents.

I don't see any ethical problem here at any point. IMO not even close.
No cheating/angle shooting then its tough to be unethical. Can't really blame anyone for fighting for some hul action these days. Just shows the value of fish in today's hul poker market.

LOL. Back when I started playing poker in Tunica, one of my rules was to leave a table when it got to about 6 handed. Forgotten all about that.

I agree with you that it is not unethical if you asked something like: " shall we carry on our heads up game then xx?" But if you straight out ask the fish for a heads up with no prior talk at the 6max table it would be unethical from the views of everyone else at the table.
But anyway from the fish's point of view I think it's fine, and agree with you that Akro advising him not to play you is easily just as bad.

St1kman rules.