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Old 01-03-2012, 09:03 AM   #1
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Preflop basic strategy

When one is on the SB
-with what cards to raise?
-with what cards to call?
-with what cards to fold?

When one is on the BB and the opponent raised
-with what cards to reraise?
-with what cards to call?
-with what cards to fold?

When one is on the BB and the opponent called
-with what cards to raise?
-with what cards to check?

THERE MUST be somewhere in the internet the tables which answer these questions. No "it depends on how aggressive is the opponent". Suppose e.g. that it's impossible to know how aggressive is the opponent (e.g. that it's the first hand against that particular opponent). Also, assuming that giving away information of what cards you hold, costs nothing.

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Old 01-03-2012, 09:22 AM   #2
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Re: Preflop basic strategy

Play some cheap sng's and figure it out for yourself. Your preflop strat should be based on your play style, personality, skill level, reads and EXPERIENCE. Your postflop decisions will greatly outweigh your preflop decisions. This is not no-limit. We have to think all the way through the hand.
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Old 01-03-2012, 10:56 AM   #3
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Re: Preflop basic strategy

should we also assume you are programming a bot?
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Old 01-03-2012, 11:46 AM   #4
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Re: Preflop basic strategy

I've got charts for how a bot plays all of these spots in my book (pdf is $16.77).

I think I disagree with postflop decisions being more important than preflop. You could force the best player in the world to fold 40% preflop and I'm pretty sure they'd lose against people with at least half a brain. Approximately correct preflop play will save you a lot of hassle and make finding players worse than you a lot easier.
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Old 01-03-2012, 12:50 PM   #5
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Re: Preflop basic strategy

well, the trick to preflop strategy is that you have t0110101111011111101101011110111111011010111101111 11011010111101111110110101111011111101101011110111 111
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Old 01-03-2012, 03:29 PM   #6
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I've got charts for how a bot plays all of these spots in my book (pdf is $16.77).

I think I disagree with postflop decisions being more important than preflop. You could force the best player in the world to fold 40% preflop and I'm pretty sure they'd lose against people with at least half a brain. Approximately correct preflop play will save you a lot of hassle and make finding players worse than you a lot easier.
IMO most players have a pretty good idea of what to do preflop. I know there are the droolers out there and the guys that have no backbone but over all its after the flop that poor play really shows itself. I think the flop is the best played street in HUL(I actually considered starting a poll about this point at one time). This is a pre bf opinion.

The 40% fold ratio is not a bad game for a beginning player to use. After getting comfortable with that range and gaining some experience then the beginner can expand his range to the edge of his comfort zone and playing style. Cant argue with table selection. Probably more important than anything. Throw in there that if you run into someone who is good you have to get away from that table. This is easier said than done.

It really bothers me that some players have to be told what cards to play. Are there actually players that dont know the difference between A/K and 7/2? This reminds me of those signs posted in the breakrooms of offices I used to visit to get people to wash the dishes they used. "YOUR MOTHER DOES NOT WORK HERE".
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Old 01-03-2012, 03:36 PM   #7
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I'd buy this 16.77$ tables that the bot uses, but how do I know that I will understand them, and that one has not made them up, etc?

You rest of posters, please do not blah-blah instead of answering my question.
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Old 01-03-2012, 04:36 PM   #8
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I'd buy this 16.77$ tables that the bot uses, but how do I know that I will understand them, and that one has not made them up, etc?

You rest of posters, please do not blah-blah instead of answering my question.
Honestly you should consider yourself lucky you got a solid answer for only $17 to your question in this forum.

I own phil's book and the charts are perfectly fine. Lot of other good stuff in it as well.

As to the rest of your post, blah blah blah.
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Old 01-03-2012, 05:05 PM   #9
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IMO most players have a pretty good idea of what to do preflop. I know there are the droolers out there and the guys that have no backbone but over all its after the flop that poor play really shows itself. I think the flop is the best played street in HUL(I actually considered starting a poll about this point at one time). This is a pre bf opinion.

The 40% fold ratio is not a bad game for a beginning player to use. After getting comfortable with that range and gaining some experience then the beginner can expand his range to the edge of his comfort zone and playing style. Cant argue with table selection. Probably more important than anything. Throw in there that if you run into someone who is good you have to get away from that table. This is easier said than done.

It really bothers me that some players have to be told what cards to play. Are there actually players that dont know the difference between A/K and 7/2? This reminds me of those signs posted in the breakrooms of offices I used to visit to get people to wash the dishes they used. "YOUR MOTHER DOES NOT WORK HERE".
solid post
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Old 01-03-2012, 05:08 PM   #10
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Re: Preflop basic strategy

So you're mad that you didn't get enough free advice from HU experts on how to create a bot to help destroy our game even further?

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Old 01-03-2012, 05:15 PM   #11
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FWIW, I tried to report Phil's post as spam. As it still stands unedited, I guess it means self-promotion is okay if you're published by 2p2.
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Old 01-03-2012, 06:27 PM   #12
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I don't normally self-promote on here but I felt like I had a pretty good answer for OP's question. And it's hardly likely that any of the kind souls on here are actually going to answer his question seriously now is it?
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Old 01-03-2012, 06:30 PM   #13
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I guess this 40% fold ratio (e.g. when you have 3,2 offsuited and you are at the SB), is (somehow...how?) derived taking in account the bets of the flop, turn, and river, because if the only bets were the preflop bets, then...
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Old 01-03-2012, 06:37 PM   #15
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Re: Preflop basic strategy

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I don't normally self-promote on here but I felt like I had a pretty good answer for OP's question. And it's hardly likely that any of the kind souls on here are actually going to answer his question seriously now is it?
Well played, sir.
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