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Old 12-25-2011, 03:12 PM   #16
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Why doesn't anyone post in this forum anymore?


What do you guys think about donking 100% of flops in limped pots against people who you know are folding more than 33%? Is the value you lose from inducing when you're ahead compensated for by immediately picking up more than your fair share of pots? This probably depends on the barreling tendencies of your opponent, right?

Should I just run it in cardrunners EV in lieu of posting about it here?

Maybe they should change the name of the forum from HU Limt to Bodie CA.
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Old 12-25-2011, 06:49 PM   #17
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Old 12-25-2011, 07:40 PM   #18
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Why doesn't anyone post in this forum anymore?


What do you guys think about donking 100% of flops in limped pots against people who you know are folding more than 33%? Is the value you lose from inducing when you're ahead compensated for by immediately picking up more than your fair share of pots? This probably depends on the barreling tendencies of your opponent, right?

Should I just run it in cardrunners EV in lieu of posting about it here?

Maybe they should change the name of the forum from HU Limt to Bodie CA.
it's not just here, but in many parts of 2+2. few people want to give free information to their potential opponents. it's the tragedy of the commons, or the prisoner's dilemma, or kittens, or something.

the strategy you described sounds immediately profitable. it probably is tweakable to be even more so -- off the top of my head i would think leading your air and draws, bluffcatching weak sd value hands, and checkraising your stronger hands, would be even more +ev
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Old 12-28-2011, 07:06 PM   #19
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I'll bet that old piano sounds as sweet as all the whores who ever set foot in that bar.
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Old 12-28-2011, 07:08 PM   #20
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the strategy you described sounds immediately profitable. it probably is tweakable to be even more so -- off the top of my head i would think leading your air and draws, bluffcatching weak sd value hands, and checkraising your stronger hands, would be even more +ev
Thanks. That sounds spot on to me.
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Old 02-06-2012, 02:20 AM   #21
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these pics r fantastic...whats the story behind this place?
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Old 02-06-2012, 05:59 PM   #22
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Abandoned mining town iirc. TBH, I didn't know anything about it until mjackson posted and then I looked it up on Wikipedia or something.
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Old 02-15-2012, 10:33 PM   #23
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never bothered to figure out GTO since I only play people that can be exploited.

If you want to battle solid regs and breakeven, thats a different story.
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Old 02-15-2012, 10:35 PM   #24
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What do you guys think about donking 100% of flops in limped pots against people who you know are folding more than 33%? Is the value you lose from inducing when you're ahead compensated for by immediately picking up more than your fair share of pots? This probably depends on the barreling tendencies of your opponent, right?

Should I just run it in cardrunners EV in lieu of posting about it here?

Maybe they should change the name of the forum from HU Limt to Bodie CA.
doesnt even have to be 33% since u have equity when u are called even with rags, and fold equity on the turn too. If they snap fold 33% of the time its a no brainer.
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:13 PM   #25
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never bothered to figure out GTO since I only play people that can be exploited.
You're doing it wrong.
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Old 02-16-2012, 07:00 PM   #26
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You're doing it wrong.
This is a level, right?
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Old 02-16-2012, 09:40 PM   #27
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This is a level, right?
No. If I'm going to bother posting theres got to be a monumental flaw in that line of thinking.
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Old 02-16-2012, 10:17 PM   #28
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If the guys winning money, saying hes doing it wrong has no meaning.
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Old 02-16-2012, 10:24 PM   #29
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never bothered to figure out GTO since I only play people that can be exploited.

If you want to battle solid regs and breakeven, thats a different story.
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If the guys winning money, saying hes doing it wrong has no meaning.
Sigh. Come on guys. A strategy is exploitable by definition because it deviates from GTO. Saying he "never bothered to figure out GTO since I only play people that can be exploited" is lol for that reason.
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Old 02-16-2012, 11:09 PM   #30
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Theoretically, you would have to know what GTO looks like in order to see how your opponent's play is exploitable. For example, you could solve a bunch of half-street games in order to discover their indifference points and then you would have to guesstimate whether your opponent is calling or folding too often and react accordingly.

In practice, this isn't really necessary for at least a couple of reasons: (1) a lot of bad players make mistakes in situations where there isn't an indifference point, and (2) you can beat poor players by making really abstract reads and following through with appropriate (and equally abstract) adjustments.

There's also the question of balance but once again you don't really have to solve a bunch of mini-games in order to know how to vary your play enough that your somewhat better opponents aren't able to quickly adjust and turn the tables on you.

Arguably, even at the highest levels, play between humans will always be based on a more generalized, abstract game of adjustment and re-adjustment, albeit an increasingly refined one as the skill of the opposing players increases.

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