agreed, most things where there is a certain incentive for it will tend to evolve and get more stream-lined and efficient over time

like f.ex, do u think inventing the wheel was something anyone with a half a brain could have done back in ston-age times? Looks pretty simple to us looking back right?

The only problem with the opponent 3betting often is that there will be less pots to pick if the other would otherwise play worse. One just adjusts to calling down a bit more and re-stealing a bit more and raising for value a bit more, and I fold some (additional) hands preflop. Making those adjustements and one needs to just develop trust as sometimes the other is winning like every pot. What you seem to be doings is that you are panicing, thinking there is something you need to do about it, that's not so the case. In some advanced cases one might do something like 4bet abnormally but one needs to know the whole psychology of that and how the opponent figures to react to it, and if he adjusts like not 3bet as much, one still might not win anything like that.

Any guy like this will auto-barrel the flop and almost always the turn, so...

I never raise the flop against these guys. Ever. I also never cap against anyone unless it is an uncapped betting game. My solution: call flop much more and raise turn much, much more: any hands you would raise the flop with plus some extra depending on 3-bet range. 3betting 50% or so (aka crazy mike) becomes a veeery expensive strategy for people who autobet the flop and turn. Also if you don't cap and don't raise the flop they have to wait until the turn to find out what the hell you have and will make significant mistakes.

If they start checking the turn, move it to the flop but the turn charges them the most for their aggro-ness. If they start 3-betting the turn light, tighten up your raising range a little but not much and grab on to your chair and ride it out till one of you is broke.

I almost never run into these guys anymore unfortunately.

Limping re-raising is I'm sure a good strategy if you are a computer and can measure 10^24 pathways. For my tastes, it just opens up the decision tree too wide for what appears to be a mediocre payoff. I prefer to disguise hands until later streets to simplify it for my meager human brain.

Also, as one of the guys who used to make kahn-level money and now makes CPA level money, I can tell you that most of the salary was based on how well you ran at nosebleeds.

Are you being serious about this?

I am in China, and someone used this term a few weeks ago...

Hi all,

I am a HU LHE player myself and I was wondering why u guys consider 35% to be a good 3B range? It seems like a lot to me. Also what do u guys think about not 3B at all?

And I read about a HU LHE book in this thread, is there such a book (or maybe even more than 1)? I would definitely like to read any good book on HU LHE so if u guys know any please let me know.

Thanks,

Wildspeaker

35% is good because even J high has showdown value against a wide opener. I've experimented with flatting everything in the BB. Sometimes people will play back against your flop check raises a lot, so you get tons of action. Other players might start checking back flops or not paying you off when you do check raise so 3 betting preflop becomes the better play.

Isnt them checking back a good thing for the other 65% of your hands though? As they are also gonna be checking back when you dont have 1 of those 35% hands. Doesnt that more than make up for the hand u lose value on (as u will miss more often than u will hit)?

Wildspeaker

Keeps pot smaller for oop player
No line on oop hand.
I think large % 3/bet players turn matches into pissing contests, may be frustrated nl players.

I just finished a short match where, by the end, villain was 3-betting 75% and folding 25%. never calling. had the match continued, i was considering adjusting by open limping 100% like TheLoner suggested. but the 25% fold BB swayed me more towards Gildwulf approach.

is this sound thinking?

i was also going to cut a few opening hands. opening ~80% rather than the usual ~90%.

dunno if it was mentioned, but you also need to go harder in single raised pots. his high 3bet % probably cuts off most of his Ax, so on Ahi boards in single raised pots you can value bet much thinner / bluff much more. Same for other high card boards.