Originally Posted by philnewall

Any of you guys thought that maybe its raising of limps isn't grossly exploitable?

Although I doubt the 75% figure I don't think you'd do well against a figure just somewhat below that.

Preflop is the easiest street for bots to get right so I don't think you'll print money against it with anything that simple.

Originally Posted by cazj88

sure, > 10BB/100

gl sir

Originally Posted by 8lrr8

to clarify, i don't think i can do it but i wouldn't be surprised if it could be done.

Originally Posted by philnewall

It could possibly be done in theory. The winner of the 2010 bot competition was beatable for 13.54BB/100. (Although in reality nobody would be able to achieve this number.)

Originally Posted by jlnoble2400

I am going to first tell u where the limit heads up machines are in my neck of the woods. Then I am going to tell u point blank how to beat them.
They are just outside of the poker room on Kansas Speedway.

Here is the basic Strategy for beating these machines on limit play. I am making a consistent income beating it so u probably would want to listen to me as I give u a machine basic strategy.

First Off preflop
Always limp on the button never raise then what the computer is going to do is raise u most of the time about 75% of the time u will call his raise with any two cards.
If u are first to act not on the button always check the flop with the plan of check raising the computer if he bets his button this will force the computer to identify his hand strength a lot of the times he calls your bet some times he folds and most of the time this gives u free card on the next street and a steal opportunity on the river if he reraises u and u have top pair u call him down, even with middle pair, if u have a lock hand call with the purpose of betting the turn and river for value on the latter streets. If u dont have a hand u should fold, if u have a flush or straight draw call his reraise.

Now Turn Play
This is very important as the computer will sometimes change personaility and try to steal on the turn but most of the time he checks the turn I have found a check raise bluff on the turn to be effective if the flop has been checked by both sides and the computer bets the turn on the button. If he checks the turn and u dont have a made hand and u are on the button go ahead and bet it and try to take the pot right there. If the computer calls your turn bet it is highly likely he is calling the river bet. But if u check in first position and he checks back he most likely folds to a river bet.

River Play
If u have a made hand and the computer called your turn bet bet the river he will call it and u probably will get paid off. If the computer called your turn bet and u are last to act and the computer checks to u go ahead and bet it and try to win the pot. If u are first to act and he has called your turn bet and u have nothing it might be smart to bet anyways if u are first to act and see if he is calling. Proportionately the river bet wins u money long term in folded pots equity.

Aggression is the key to beating this machine. If u played a basic bet every street strategy after the flop in first to act position and raising his first to act betting every hand u are in this will not let him call u down with weak cards this could also be winning strategy as the computer will have a hard time calling with weaker hands. Since u are showing extreme strength every hand. But I dont quite play that way my trick to limiting is the first post flop opportunity he has to bet I generally check raise him to see where he stands and this gives me the control of the hand. If this is done on the flop it is highly likely when u check the turn u can get him to check back most of the time almost certainly letting u know if u bet on the river u win the pot.

Originally Posted by Muraca

I played it for ~two hours during the wsop and I thought it played very, very well. I ended up a small loser (something like 150$ playing 10-20 iirc).

I misclicked many times which was costly ;( .

I would be very surprised if it was beatable for any sort of worthwhile wr by anyone but the most skilled, well-versed huhu pros.

Edit: I recorded a cpl hands I thought were cool/interesting on an old phone. Gonna try to find them when I get a chance.

Originally Posted by randomrules

Exactly.

The machine plays too well.

I tried to game select -- see "bumhunt" -- when I played online HUHU back in the days of USA freedom (levels 2/4-10/20). So I'll never claim to be an expert, but I did OK.

As I've mentioned in this thread, I usually only play the machine these days if I'm waiting for a live game. Or if I'm exhausted with the boredom of full-ring games at the moment and/or seeing/listening to live players.

Or when I get the rare opportunity to sweat Drama playing the machine and attempt to absorb his breadth of on-the-spot analytical knowledge.

For me, it's about nothing more than practice.

There's definitely no live game -- always right around the corner in Vegas -- that's going to be tougher to beat.

All that said, anyone else have more pics of Tomy's wife?

Originally Posted by randomrules

Exactly.

The machine plays too well.

I tried to game select -- see "bumhunt" -- when I played online HUHU back in the days of USA freedom (levels 2/4-10/20). So I'll never claim to be an expert, but I did OK.

As I've mentioned in this thread, I usually only play the machine these days if I'm waiting for a live game. Or if I'm exhausted with the boredom of full-ring games at the moment and/or seeing/listening to live players.

Or when I get the rare opportunity to sweat Drama playing the machine and attempt to absorb his breadth of on-the-spot analytical knowledge.

For me, it's about nothing more than practice.

There's definitely no live game -- always right around the corner in Vegas -- that's going to be tougher to beat.

All that said, anyone else have more pics of Tomy's wife?

Originally Posted by johnnyrocket

haha, it was funny, i played it at cosmo for like 5 hours while pre gaming for the evening(after playing a couple of short sessions earlier days), i went up to get pizza, and the lady asked if i had any comps, i was like probably not but maybe, i handed her my card and she laughed, i had a little over $400 in comps from playing for hardly any time at all and i didn't think the comps were going to cover my $13 tab or whatever it was