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Old 02-29-2012, 03:03 PM   #31
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Re: Beating the Heads up Limit Poker Machine

not quite u have to understand you dont want to be raising into it when it has shown strength and u have nothing. SInce the machine doesnt adapt u must be betting in a way that always shows strength whether u have the goods or not that forces this machine into a predictable pattern that can be exploited for money
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Old 02-29-2012, 03:09 PM   #32
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Not exactly u cant be betting into the machine when it shown to u strength but these betting patterns that our laid out pretty much force it into a predictable pattern that is very easily exploitable. U bet until it shows strength in order to pick up those pots. THis is known as bluff equity. In heads up it is going to be a reckless lag, so being tight will get you bluffed out. But forcing it on the defensive will force it to show its strength of hand most of the time and u can make decisions based on its reactions to your decisons. If it keeps check keep applying pressure if it raises you and u dont have a good draw or a made hand release, if you have the good draw call and try to hit, if u have a stronger hand like the nuts a big hand reraise and get more value from it. Force it to defend against u not u against it. The winner is usually but not always the more aggressive playeri n heads up confrontation. And what makes u a definite winner is the ability to bluff and geto ut of the way when it shows strength and u have absolutely nothing. But if u can get value out of absolute nothing most of the time u have created a positive ROI.
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Old 02-29-2012, 03:46 PM   #33
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If anyone would like to reach me. tommorrow evening around 6 pm I will be at the hollywood casino in kansas city kansas close to the Kansas Speed way. Playing a session on the heads up limit holdem machine. You will get to see me putting my advice that I give u guys to practice there and u can see for yourselves whether what I am saying is the real deal or not. Take care good luck in your poker endeavers.
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Old 02-29-2012, 06:45 PM   #34
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Someone gonna watch him?
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Old 02-29-2012, 11:40 PM   #35
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How often do you switch the bluffs lines? How often does computer check back the flop?

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Old 03-01-2012, 01:40 AM   #36
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I run a 3-2 on the first and second lines. Remember I only use this for the first level setting, which is the lowest stakes but even still at 1-2 fixed limit u can do quite well. Remember with its lag settings it is going to beat 75% of all heads limit holdem players at a minimum with the first level thought process. Tell me how u do when u play I would love to hear back from u. I want to know if they are all programmed the same which they should be. Remember only use my advice for the lower stakes game dont use this for the higher as I have not explored the betting lines for the higher stakes. At the higher level thinking process u might have to use a combination of a double check raise line and a check raise turn line, and a check raise flop line, and a checkraise turn and river line. I have not explored the higher level stakes but I know it plays a different level at these stakes it has three different level settings.
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Old 03-01-2012, 01:42 AM   #37
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take care and I hope this helps u. Give me a report on your progress. If u are having problems we will work through it I promise we will nail the thing.
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Old 03-01-2012, 01:44 AM   #38
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Oh on it checking back the flop I would say one out of 6 at the most if even that. If it percieves weakness it is almost always trying to bet and win the pot except on the river its betting frequency is a lot less.
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:49 AM   #39
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I will try the lines soon. I live 5 min. away from the machines. Will report back
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:48 AM   #40
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tks and happy hunting
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Old 03-02-2012, 01:09 AM   #41
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Here is my first TR. Please excuse the grammar. Ventured over to Green Valley Ranch casino located in Henderson Nevada. The heads up machines are located in front of the poker room. The lowest denomination is $1/2 blinds. Green valley offers bonus points that can be redeemed for cash for playing. The machines play was better than expected. Much less bluff raise fold equity. This machine did not fold to river bets often after facing a flop/turn bluff CR or bet raised. This machine actually knows how to check raise. Machine folded 15 to 20% preflop. It actually fought tooth and nail on paired flop boards even after the turn bluff raises on such boards. I did beat the machine for 65 BB my first session of 1.5 hour play. I ran well. Would like to know about your largest downswing op.
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Old 03-02-2012, 02:34 PM   #42
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When machine was first to act it seemed it would check nothing and bet any pair+, draw, king high+ and will not fold. Many times the machine was calling my raise on the turn with king high mid kicker. This was my first time playing heads up limit and really enjoyed it. OP's check raise bluff on flop seemed to work well, but raising flop/bet/bet was burning money because machine would bet when it had anything and take it to showdown most of the time.
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Old 03-02-2012, 02:46 PM   #43
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Re: Beating the Heads up Limit Poker Machine

The game of HU LHE is def underrated by a community that largely developed around the NLH boom. It's my favorite for sure and I've at one time or another tried almost any poker variant and format that can be played online.

Your comments seem to be in keeping with what has been reported in other threads but I don't really want to comment on OP's strategy, in part because I haven't played the machine myself.

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Old 03-02-2012, 08:25 PM   #44
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Re: Beating the Heads up Limit Poker Machine

it'd be pretty clever if the machine were programmed to be sandbagging on low stakes to get action
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Old 03-02-2012, 09:09 PM   #45
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^ I've suggested this in other threads. The idea that there is more than one personality installed on the machines is pretty widely accepted and I think DS said he'd been able to confirm this at one point. It's typically thought that the machine switches randomly between the personalities, but who's to say if a weaker personality isn't allowed to play more frequently at the lower stakes? And I'm not necessarily suggesting that such a personality would be -EV against the majority of the population. For example, if it figured to have a thin edge (say +1 or 2 ptbb/100), it would allow people to have decent rungood stretches, meanwhile setting them up to play worse against the machine's better personalities and perhaps enticing them to play higher.

I wonder if TT is still playing these things. I take the absence of follow-up reports from other 2p2 regs who have said they were going to give it a shot to mean that they didn't fair too well.

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