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Old 02-21-2012, 11:59 PM   #1
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Beating the Heads up Limit Poker Machine

I am going to first tell u where the limit heads up machines are in my neck of the woods. Then I am going to tell u point blank how to beat them.
They are just outside of the poker room on Kansas Speedway.

Here is the basic Strategy for beating these machines on limit play. I am making a consistent income beating it so u probably would want to listen to me as I give u a machine basic strategy.

First Off preflop
Always limp on the button never raise then what the computer is going to do is raise u most of the time about 75% of the time u will call his raise with any two cards.
If u are first to act not on the button always check the flop with the plan of check raising the computer if he bets his button this will force the computer to identify his hand strength a lot of the times he calls your bet some times he folds and most of the time this gives u free card on the next street and a steal opportunity on the river if he reraises u and u have top pair u call him down, even with middle pair, if u have a lock hand call with the purpose of betting the turn and river for value on the latter streets. If u dont have a hand u should fold, if u have a flush or straight draw call his reraise.

Now Turn Play
This is very important as the computer will sometimes change personaility and try to steal on the turn but most of the time he checks the turn I have found a check raise bluff on the turn to be effective if the flop has been checked by both sides and the computer bets the turn on the button. If he checks the turn and u dont have a made hand and u are on the button go ahead and bet it and try to take the pot right there. If the computer calls your turn bet it is highly likely he is calling the river bet. But if u check in first position and he checks back he most likely folds to a river bet.

River Play
If u have a made hand and the computer called your turn bet bet the river he will call it and u probably will get paid off. If the computer called your turn bet and u are last to act and the computer checks to u go ahead and bet it and try to win the pot. If u are first to act and he has called your turn bet and u have nothing it might be smart to bet anyways if u are first to act and see if he is calling. Proportionately the river bet wins u money long term in folded pots equity.

Aggression is the key to beating this machine. If u played a basic bet every street strategy after the flop in first to act position and raising his first to act betting every hand u are in this will not let him call u down with weak cards this could also be winning strategy as the computer will have a hard time calling with weaker hands. Since u are showing extreme strength every hand. But I dont quite play that way my trick to limiting is the first post flop opportunity he has to bet I generally check raise him to see where he stands and this gives me the control of the hand. If this is done on the flop it is highly likely when u check the turn u can get him to check back most of the time almost certainly letting u know if u bet on the river u win the pot.
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:07 AM   #2
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I forgot the flop if u are first to act on the flop
ON the flop first to act check to the computer with the thought of check raising him, if he bets the flop on his first to act opportunity raise him this forces the computer to identify his hand. If he is first to act and checks bet it and try to win the pot. The computer normally doesnt check raise. If he calls your bet and you are first to act on the turn check with the purpose of taking a free card the computer most likely has to check back unless he has a really good hand or a straight or flush draw. If he checks back you will 4/5 times win the pot on the river with a bet. If he is first to act on the turn and checks bet it and try to pick it up he will call u with a draw likely or middle pair. Which means bout half of the time if he called your turn bet he is calling your river bet in this circumstance. Well take care I hope this is helpful.
Remember limit heads up is a game of aggression. The more u show strength the more likely u win more money.
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:42 AM   #3
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Re: Beating the Heads up Limit Poker Machine

how many hours would you say you've played vs it?
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Old 02-22-2012, 01:01 AM   #4
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Re: Beating the Heads up Limit Poker Machine

So is this basically a slot machine that you can play limit holdem against for money? I had no idea such a thing existed.
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Old 02-22-2012, 02:04 AM   #5
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:57 AM   #6
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Re: Beating the Heads up Limit Poker Machine

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First Off preflop
Always limp on the button never raise then what the computer is going to do is raise u most of the time about 75% of the time u will call his raise with any two cards.
If u are first to act not on the button always check the flop with the plan of check raising the computer if he bets his button this will force the computer to identify his hand strength a lot of the times he calls your bet some times he folds and most of the time this gives u free card on the next street and a steal opportunity on the river if he reraises u and u have top pair u call him down, even with middle pair, if u have a lock hand call with the purpose of betting the turn and river for value on the latter streets. If u dont have a hand u should fold, if u have a flush or straight draw call his reraise.
I doubt the bot raises a limp 75% of the time but I'm sure it's above 50%. Essentially, you're allowing the bot to double the pot size preflop with the top 66% of its range and giving it a free flop with the bottom 33%.

Doesn't sound great to me, but gl against the machine.
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Old 02-24-2012, 06:07 PM   #7
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how many hours would you say you've played vs it?
So I am basically playing 25 -30 hours a week against the machine
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Old 02-24-2012, 09:42 PM   #8
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I doubt the bot raises a limp 75% of the time but I'm sure it's above 50%. Essentially, you're allowing the bot to double the pot size preflop with the top 66% of its range and giving it a free flop with the bottom 33%.

Doesn't sound great to me, but gl against the machine.


Ive played about 5 sessions on this machine and limped button probably 10 times all but 2 were raised
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Old 02-24-2012, 09:43 PM   #9
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what limits do you play
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Old 02-25-2012, 06:55 AM   #10
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So I am basically playing 25 -30 hours a week against the machine
for how many weeks?
and also how much approximately are u winning? and at what limit?

thx
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Old 02-25-2012, 10:26 PM   #11
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I play .50 and dollar limit holdem. I dont play the higher limit it has 3 denominations for three different play levels. I was told if u play it at 5- 10 limit holdem it plays better than phil ivey in heads up limit. I am talking only the level to beat the smaller level and grind out.
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Old 02-25-2012, 10:33 PM   #12
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I have been playing heads up limit against the machine for over 16 weeks. Average gross return is slightly less than 1125 a week. The hourly average with me playing thirty hours a week. IS a ruffly as follows.

1125 * 4.2 weeks per month = 4725 for total profit take these numbers 4725 * 16/4.2 = 18000 dollars profit

I have slightly more than that but that is my numbers my exact profit has been 18654.50 over the time I was playing it
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Old 02-25-2012, 10:40 PM   #13
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any questions I will try my best to answer. My reccommendation is to get acespade software and adjust all the robots to zero in limit except for the one you play set the personaility type to the solid player level. Set your practice buy in to 1200 and his to 1200 as well. This software is very good but dont take my word for it. See if you and a friend can get together on it because the software is expensive $200 dollars. If someone has other software I would be willing to trade disks. If there software is just as expensive. or you have the software that predicts three of the five community cards in holdem online.
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Old 02-26-2012, 03:46 AM   #14
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Re: Beating the Heads up Limit Poker Machine

So you're beating it for about 37.5BB/hour?
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:59 PM   #15
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So you're beating it for about 37.5BB/hour?
Your tone seems to imply that you doubt OP, pretty disrespectful imo...
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