I am going to first tell u where the limit heads up machines are in my neck of the woods. Then I am going to tell u point blank how to beat them.
They are just outside of the poker room on Kansas Speedway.

Here is the basic Strategy for beating these machines on limit play. I am making a consistent income beating it so u probably would want to listen to me as I give u a machine basic strategy.

First Off preflop
Always limp on the button never raise then what the computer is going to do is raise u most of the time about 75% of the time u will call his raise with any two cards.
If u are first to act not on the button always check the flop with the plan of check raising the computer if he bets his button this will force the computer to identify his hand strength a lot of the times he calls your bet some times he folds and most of the time this gives u free card on the next street and a steal opportunity on the river if he reraises u and u have top pair u call him down, even with middle pair, if u have a lock hand call with the purpose of betting the turn and river for value on the latter streets. If u dont have a hand u should fold, if u have a flush or straight draw call his reraise.

Now Turn Play
This is very important as the computer will sometimes change personaility and try to steal on the turn but most of the time he checks the turn I have found a check raise bluff on the turn to be effective if the flop has been checked by both sides and the computer bets the turn on the button. If he checks the turn and u dont have a made hand and u are on the button go ahead and bet it and try to take the pot right there. If the computer calls your turn bet it is highly likely he is calling the river bet. But if u check in first position and he checks back he most likely folds to a river bet.

River Play
If u have a made hand and the computer called your turn bet bet the river he will call it and u probably will get paid off. If the computer called your turn bet and u are last to act and the computer checks to u go ahead and bet it and try to win the pot. If u are first to act and he has called your turn bet and u have nothing it might be smart to bet anyways if u are first to act and see if he is calling. Proportionately the river bet wins u money long term in folded pots equity.

Aggression is the key to beating this machine. If u played a basic bet every street strategy after the flop in first to act position and raising his first to act betting every hand u are in this will not let him call u down with weak cards this could also be winning strategy as the computer will have a hard time calling with weaker hands. Since u are showing extreme strength every hand. But I dont quite play that way my trick to limiting is the first post flop opportunity he has to bet I generally check raise him to see where he stands and this gives me the control of the hand. If this is done on the flop it is highly likely when u check the turn u can get him to check back most of the time almost certainly letting u know if u bet on the river u win the pot.

I forgot the flop if u are first to act on the flop
ON the flop first to act check to the computer with the thought of check raising him, if he bets the flop on his first to act opportunity raise him this forces the computer to identify his hand. If he is first to act and checks bet it and try to win the pot. The computer normally doesnt check raise. If he calls your bet and you are first to act on the turn check with the purpose of taking a free card the computer most likely has to check back unless he has a really good hand or a straight or flush draw. If he checks back you will 4/5 times win the pot on the river with a bet. If he is first to act on the turn and checks bet it and try to pick it up he will call u with a draw likely or middle pair. Which means bout half of the time if he called your turn bet he is calling your river bet in this circumstance. Well take care I hope this is helpful.
Remember limit heads up is a game of aggression. The more u show strength the more likely u win more money.

how many hours would you say you've played vs it?

So is this basically a slot machine that you can play limit holdem against for money? I had no idea such a thing existed.

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I doubt the bot raises a limp 75% of the time but I'm sure it's above 50%. Essentially, you're allowing the bot to double the pot size preflop with the top 66% of its range and giving it a free flop with the bottom 33%.

Doesn't sound great to me, but gl against the machine.

So I am basically playing 25 -30 hours a week against the machine

Ive played about 5 sessions on this machine and limped button probably 10 times all but 2 were raised

what limits do you play

for how many weeks?
and also how much approximately are u winning? and at what limit?

thx

I play .50 and dollar limit holdem. I dont play the higher limit it has 3 denominations for three different play levels. I was told if u play it at 5- 10 limit holdem it plays better than phil ivey in heads up limit. I am talking only the level to beat the smaller level and grind out.

I have been playing heads up limit against the machine for over 16 weeks. Average gross return is slightly less than 1125 a week. The hourly average with me playing thirty hours a week. IS a ruffly as follows.

1125 * 4.2 weeks per month = 4725 for total profit take these numbers 4725 * 16/4.2 = 18000 dollars profit

I have slightly more than that but that is my numbers my exact profit has been 18654.50 over the time I was playing it

any questions I will try my best to answer. My reccommendation is to get acespade software and adjust all the robots to zero in limit except for the one you play set the personaility type to the solid player level. Set your practice buy in to 1200 and his to 1200 as well. This software is very good but dont take my word for it. See if you and a friend can get together on it because the software is expensive $200 dollars. If someone has other software I would be willing to trade disks. If there software is just as expensive. or you have the software that predicts three of the five community cards in holdem online.

So you're beating it for about 37.5BB/hour?

Your tone seems to imply that you doubt OP, pretty disrespectful imo...

Skepticism. op is making some outrageous claims. then he "advises "[/CODE] some $200 software and he will swap disks. what does this software have to do with beating the hu machine? this sounds too much like a scam. why tell people how to beat the machine? by itself that is foolish. this thread is about one thing.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!THIS DUDE IS JUST TRYING TO SELL SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!

Who is NL fund that is not me, but yes I am beating for about 38 an hour

I dont care if u buy the software or not in fact anyone who sends me an email I will try to send you the download link through email but will only do it for a few people. Dont buy the software I could care less I already told u how to beat it test what I am telling u against the lowest level of machine in the casino and if its true use it if not u know I am a liar.

any questions feel free to send another reply. And people who use this strategy tell me how you are doing and exactly how u are doing I can tell those who arent what adjustments u might need to make if u are not successful If anyone has thw book by two plus two winning in tough limit games you can learn the main lines of thought that this computer has to follow. It either is going to follow the bet bet line which at the lowest level it follows that is the reason for the check raise on the flop is to get control of the hand. or it lets me know it has a hand and I can raise it if I think my hand is better and get more value bewts out of it.
Or at the higher levels it might follow the lead check raise line in which you should consider reraising its check raise on the turn with your made hands but in this line u check all the way to the river and then check raise it on the river as it will fold most of its hands on the river here because it misses majority of the time.
Or the check call check raise line. With limit heads up there really isnt that much it can do realize u have to counter its aggression or u will lose a lot of pots. The more aggressive player usually does better heads up. Force the computer to identify whether it has a hand or not the only way to do this is with aggression. Raising and rerasinig first opportunity is best at the lowest level stakes. At the highest level stakes u might have to consider doing this on the turn with the more expensive betting streets. take my advice for what its worth. In fact I recommend the two + two book nick Grudzien winning in tough limit holdem games. IT talks about these concepts in more detail.

Remember whatever stakes u play it at u have to sit deep into the game I reccommend at least 100 big bets at whatever stakes u choose, this counters bad luck for the most part. Remember if u are not beating it sitting this deep and u are losing big mostlikely it is not bad luck it is somethijng wrong with the way you are playing it. I would not play this machine at the higher levels unless u are experienced in heads up limit. U have to know the concepts and the lines that the computer is probably goign to follow remember if u can get the machine most of the time to turn the lead of the hand over to u that is how u win the pots off of it most of the time. Get out of the way when it has a hand and u dont, bet it badly when u have a better hand than it and bluff it the rest of the way when u both dont have anything and u will come out the better. Remember on average both players miss the flop two out of three times. It would make the most sense for the computer to always continuation bet the flop this is when u have to take control of the hand at thew lowest or when the computer will identify its hand strength frequency to the board

Remember the machine doesnt adapt to your play or learn your style so the only thing it can possibly do is follow set betting lines and what if conditions that is why these strategies will work against at the lowest level simplest strategy to win the most pots. At the higher level more complex basic strategies but it is going to follow these book lines it would be like playing computer at chess. We would lose the chess match becuase of the what if lines is the game of chess. But that isnt the case in poker. If u can get it to do the what if line of check fold or shut down and quit betting most of the time u will win the pots point blank

If u dont believe me here is practical advice for u to sit down when u play it take a notebook and write down its tendencies and they wont change for the most part post flop. Obviously its tendencies are going to be different at the higher levels but not tht much different. it is a program if it cant adapt to your play u have the advantage.

I hope mosto f u dont follow my advice because I dont want the golden goose removed from the casino.

So pretty much bet then?

I finally bought WITHG like a year ago and still haven't finished it. My impression from what I have read is that it's somewhat over-rated. There's a lot of solid statistical data which probably had more value when the book was first published. Other than that, I don't find it to be very well written and I think a lot of the advice is questionable. To be fair, if I had read it in 2007, it would have had a lot more to say to to the player I was at that time, so maybe I'm under-valuing the good info because it's mostly stuff I've learned elsewhere. ymmv