Nice projection there

He is. No one is that that... um, inadequate at thinking.

call,

1) Clinton's spending amount is artificially lowered compared to someone of her social status and wealth because of her political position, and the only reason her spending is even mentioned is because she's a politician with a platform of standing up for the people, etc. Lots of rich people spend way more than her.

2) Bottle service girls, high end hostesses, strippers, etc. are not the median, not sure why you are even bringing that **** up. These women are among the top earners in the service industry. It is easy to extrapolate and come up with a reasonable estimation for them. I know a number of service industry people who report ~$50k in income and take home $500-1000 a week in additional unreported cash. I also have known many people who make primarily cash income of $200-300k who report ~$100k on their taxes, spend $5-10+k a month in cash, and keep the rest in cash. Very easy to imagine a bottle service girl making $200k/year reporting income of $80-100k and spending/saving the rest. I don't know any currently in that job, but as of ~5 years ago, I knew a handful of girls working in clubs who made the kind of money being discussed ITT. There's a reason these are some of the most highly coveted jobs around and incredibly hard to get without connections.

3) In Vegas, NYC, and Houston, three places I have a lot of experience with, high dollar purchases with cash are very common. Less so in SF. I am specifically familiar with Chanel and Barney's via friends who work in management there. Lots of big cash purchases made there.

4) Spending is way easier than you realize, and lots of people spend way more money than you realize. Just buying a couple new pairs of shoes each month for some women can be a $2000-4000 proposition. No, that's not the median or anywhere near it, but it's also not some Black Swan outlier.

call,

Since you want an accounting, here's an easy month:

Eating out: $500/week - $2k
Partying: once or twice a week $500 - $2k
Drugs: $2k
Cash to deadbeat boyfriend: $2k
Pair of shoes: $1500
Random ****: $500
Clothes: $2k
Makeup/beauty: $1000
Cash to help out friend: $1k
Some new toy: $2k
Vacation somewhere: $4k

There's an easy $20k right there without any really special expenditures.

I can't talk about bottle service girls specifically, but based on the shopaholic females I know, something like one bag, five pairs of shoes and a couple new dresses might be an average month. None of the people I know, buys that kind of stuff from high-end designers though. But if somebody has the disposable income to shop all that stuff at the luxury shops on the strip, I'd assume they'd spend at least $10k on it per month.

How much could you spend on that stuff in theory? I have no clue. Most designers have two to four collections a year plus special editions, so if you take the 10 - 20 biggest names in the game (Gucci, Hermes, Fendi, D&G, St. Laurent, Oscar de la Renta, Louis Vuitton, Prada, Chanel, Dior, Versace, Armani, Marc Jacobs come to mind) that number could be pretty high.

Some of the stuff they buy, prolly never leaves the box. I have no clue why, but getting and having those things is at least as important as actually wearing them. Last weekend I went to the mall with my wife. After we bought 19 new dresses for our baby, I asked if he could even wear all of them before he's getting too big. I received a confused "so what???" look and knew I had to STFU.

Does the obscene amount these girls make change how much you tip them?

I'm more likely to tip higher at a dingy diner for the waitress busting her ass and barely scraping a living wage, and tip less to a hot beer tub girl that opens a beer and clears 6 figures.

I object to the deadbeat descriptor, if you're somehow able to convince a bottle service hottie to gift you $2k a month in cash and have sex with you then you better believe you're putting in some serious work considering all the high level competition constantly hitting on her.

Even the guys at the front can make a ton of cash.

Here's a good point of reference, the front men at PURE got busted for not reporting their cash "tips".

http://www.reviewjournal.com/john-l-...mer-owner-pure

You don't get the option to tip under 20%

Kimora Lee Simmons owns more than $1mm of Louis Vuitton alone.

Yep, this. The key to remember is you are not buying a table for $1500 or whatever they quote you at, but your group is just promising to spend that much as a whole to have a table, if you take a group of 6-8 people that each would have been spending $100-$200+ on drinks by themselves anyways, the table itself could basically be free.

The bottle service tables are normally priced a little higher (especially at the higher end nightclubs) but I have found that renting cabana's at the normal Vegas pool pretty much pays for itself, as my group would almost normally spend right around what the amount it costs to reserve a cabana is anyways, again, say it costs $500 to reserve a cabana you are not actually paying $500 for the cabana, you are just agreeing that your group of 6-8 people will spend that much on food & drinks which is pretty easy to do with just buckets of beer and a little bit of food, and is easily what my typical group would end up spending at a minimum anyways.

So the way I look at it is I am going to spend approximately the same amount either way. I can either agree to spend that much ahead of time and have a nice area to ourselves plus good service and just focus on having a good time, or spend the same amount while waiting in line for service and fighting for space amongst everyone else. There are different clubs/pools for every budget, to me the choice is simple, as a group agree to spend an amount similar to what you would normally spend for a table/cabana, or splurge at a nicer place if you really want to. Sorry for the sidetrack.

What, do they give you all your group can drink at these tables? I thought you got like one bottle of champagne and the table.

To add to this thread, the average service girl is also not saving/investing the unreported income. This is being spent on partying/clothes/drugs/whatever, all of which you can pretty much spend as much as you want to in cash without raising any red flags, they are still reporting around $100k as taxable income so anything beyond that is easy to blow in vegas.

Yes, anyone looking to make a significant amount of unreported income appear legitimate has a lot more work to do and is way beyond my area of expertise, but that is not the case for the average service worker, almost all of the unreported income gets blown on some form of partying/dining out/clothes/gambling, etc... just fun money for the most part.

No you have to pay for everything you drink, you are just agreeing to spend a certain amount ahead of time for the right to the table.

Then why are some people claiming it saves money to get a table?

Overall I don't think it does but it does waive the cover and allow you to skip the line. What I'm saying is if your group as a whole was going to spend close to the cost of table, you might as well get it as it is pretty much included at that point. You can still get individual drinks in addition to that as well.

Chill,


They are just doing math. Let's say you have 6 people in your group at a club that costs $100 each to get in or you can get a table with 2 $500 bottles. That's $1200 with tip.

In this totally made up scenario, if people would have spent over $100 each on drinks otherwise, the table saves money.

OK, so you get in free as well? Didn't realize that.

Chill,

Yeah. But just to be clear, it (in my pretty limited experience) usually ends up actually being quite a bit more expensive. Especially because groups down for bottle service aren't usually calculating the exact minimum amount possible to spend or trying to ration out drinks to nurse the bottles for as long as possible. And girls pouring drinks for you are always very generous with the pours!

I was just giving a contrived example of why people were saying that's the case sometimes.

Congratulations! Keep up the hard work!

You not only get in for free but also get to pass the line which saves you money to tip the bouncer.

But at nicer clubs / better tables the minimum is usually at least one bottle for every two guys at the table with bottles starting around $600 + tax + tip. Therefore, $300-500/person is a pretty good ballpark in my experience, but I never got bottle service at a ****ty club nor the most expensive table at one of the top clubs. So there are cheaper and more expensive options.

This is unreasonable to me, but not that bad. This is $75-100k with a 5-figure amount of cash spending.

But most estimates here are wildly above that.

I buy this argument as an explanation as to why alleged earnings are so disproportionately high.

But this explaination would also raise a bunch of questions ... Cont later

Calli - i dated a couple o stripperz during my time in vegas

they both spent in ways i could not believe

One I was with for a few months. I am not sure if she had a residence in LV. She talked and acted like she did. I never saw it. Every time we hung out she would want to stay in a hotel (I never not 1 single time paid). Cant tell u how many nights I stayed at the aria during this time

They both had insane drug habits

This stuff adds up very very fast

Call,


The people I was referencing are bartenders at "regular" popular bars/clubs. Bottle service girls at nice Vegas clubs/pools make way more than them.

If you're going to stand in line, why would you tip the bouncer? It's either/or.

Even in my younger days I can't imagine drinking $500/half a bottle of booze. But I only drink beer, so the whole thing is lost on me.