well you aren't getting to the minimum with 1 bottle. 1 bottle of whisky, 1 bottle of vodka. take it from there.

and the single guys are happy to suck it up and go with vodka as that's what the girls want to drink.

If you say so. None of the guys I ever drank with cared so little about what they drank. But then, they weren't 22 year old kids either.

To be fair, if drinking is your primary purpose, going to a night club in vegas is probably the worst of all available options.

What IS Pig4Bill's primary purpose?

Vegas industry secret: Bartenders at Gaybars make considerably more than bottle service girls.

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Nobody goes to a night club because they have the best tasting drinks there. That would be like going to a movie theatre based on the drinks they sell and not the movies they show.

Is it worth spending $300-500 on a night of partying at a club? Not to most people I guess, but they also don't understand why others are dropping that kind of money at a fine dining place.

This right here. What most people don't realize that after you and your group pays cover and then pay for your drinks individually, you end up paying just as the groups doing bottle service (if they are not getting $10,000 bottles of champagne).

Sure. But instead of asking me to trust you, why don't you actually add it up?

Let's say you're a fat ass and buy $100/day worth of groceries and gas. And because you're mad balla living in Manhattan, you live in a $4,000/month apartment and pay half of that in cash.

What does that add up to over a year?

How long would it take you to get rid of $500k?

Let's add going to the casino and drinking $500 worth of alcohol every Friday night, and then spewing off $500 at the poker tables every week.

Now what does that add up to over a year?

Now how long would it take you to burn through $500k?

The average American reports $50,000/year in income. That's $140/day. If you think that the average waitress is hiding 2-3x that in cash spending every day, lol.

All the big things that one wishes could be paid off, like mortgages and cars and college funds, require a paper trail.

Bzzt. One of the stipulated rules is to avoid the legal system.

You're confusing money with income. Offshoring money may be damaging to a politician's career but it's not illegal and only questionably immoral. People don't hide from the government that they do it, they just don't want it publicly disclosed. And most people do it with post-tax money. It may be a way of obfuscating foreign income but you're going to face scrutiny moving money in and out of the country, so basically you're creating a pool of officially-earned money you can't easily access.

When someone talks about a waitress trying to hide domestically earned income so she can spend it domestically, tax havens are a red herring.

depends what you're spending it on and what time frame.

for someone who goes out to eat a lot, drugs, hookers, sporting events etc you can easily dump 10k in a year in cash without anyone knowing

exactly.there's a girl at the supermarket near me and one who works at staples that could easily be making 5-10 times more with clothes on.

Hey, I go to the movies just for the popcorn sometimes, even if I know the movie is going to suck.

I guess it's a good thing for Vegas that my little group are Vegas-going dinosaurs. Ironically, they have a lot more money to spend than the younger guys if Vegas can figure out how to pry it out of their pockets.

Me either, lol.

The majority of guys at the more expensive tables at clubs like XS/Marquee/Tao/Hakkasan are older than you might think and lots of them probably would never set foot in a nightclub in their hometown. Of course there's some early 20 guys with rich parents, but I think the target group for those tables are guys 30 - 49 who just like to have a good time while feeling way too old to stand with the young people on the dancefloor.

callipygian you are venturing into the territory of straw mans. Who in this thread said a bottle service girl is pulling $500,000? Are you using that number to make the challenge of hiding the income harder than it realistically is? Even if we were being generous, a bottle service girl earns way less than half of that number.

And why are you assuming that just because she earns x amount of money, she has to spend it all?

If she reports $50,000 a year in income and keeps $150,000 off the books, she could EASILY pay off those "big expenses" you mentioned. Just have all her reported income go towards paying off her loans, the interest is even tax deductible on her mortgage so she can report even more income without worrying about getting taxed.

As for the $150,000 that's kept off the books, again, she could easily launder that into various entities she can set up that will be far more tax advantageous than reporting the money as her personal income. For example, do you want to vacation in Europe? Well set up a photography business and claim all your expenses as business expenses and claim the off the book cash as revenue from photograph sales. Stuff like that. Again, this is why rich people love being "philanthropic" and setting up their charities. It's a way to avoid being taxed while still spending the money on the fun stuff they want to spend it on anyway.

Interesting. Maybe my buddies are outliers, because they are very particular about what they drink. They want the exact brand, variety, etc. They would expect the waitress to be a bartender, not just some bimbo that knows how to pour 4 ounces of Red Bull and one ounce of vodka. At any rate, they've never been in a Vegas club to my knowledge, and probably never will be.

One of our bottle service go-to options was getting a bottle of vodka, a bottle of champagne and a couple red bull cans. Mixing all three together results in a drink called "master blaster". Not sure if your buddies would like that

It doesn't take that much to figure this out. The second post said 100-300k, post #41 brings the 500k number.

I like how you immediately recognized that one side kept jacking up the amount in question. Unfortunately for you, it was the side that makes increasingly ludicrous claims about how much they could launder.

Thanks for agreeing with me. That's my point - especially in the case where someone signs legal forms stating X is their income, and in this case X was something like $50-80k, I bet her actual income is +10-20% at most.

Remember, *I* am the one who's arguing it's difficult to launder that much money and that reported income has to be a reasonable approximation of actual income. All of *you* are the ones who claim it's super easy to report $50k and somehow hide $150k in income, like the average bottle service girl has a Swiss bank account and a lawyer on retainer to help set up her tax shelters.

You're right that they don't necessarily spend all they make. But statistically, Americans aren't like that (a shocking percentage cannot absorb a $10k medical bill), and from a long-term perspective, SOMEONE has to spend it (now or later). Maybe there are millions of Swiss bank accounts out there with cocktail waitresses smuggling unreported cash on their bodies during their luxury European vacations. Maybe when the statute of limitations expire and the US passes a financial repatriation amnesty bill, they'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

I'll bet against that scenario.

I work at Encore Beach club and the girls make pretty crazy money considering most of them only work the summer and then take the next 6 months off until next summer, tough life. I would ballpark it at about 150-200k, okay money i guess for 6 months... During orientation there were 2 new girls with a few returning girls from previous years and the ones returning told the new girls at the end of the summer expect to have 100k in the bank, a new car, and a new boyfriend. I highly doubt the lower tier clubs are pulling that money but im sure they're not starving either

re: nightclub workers not reporting tip earnings

the IRS does keep an eye out and busts people from time to time, at least here in Vegas:

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2011/mar...vefyreComments

This is why there are very few hot young cocktail waitresses anymore. There are much better paying jobs for hot girls. Plus everybody still tips a dollar for a drink, the same as they did 20 years ago. With inflation, the job just doesn't pay the same.

What? He just said they make 100k in 6 months. That's freaking amazing. The bottle service girls get far far more than one dollar a drink. We aren't talking about waitresses on the casino floor ITT

By cocktail waitresses I mean those walking the casino floor asking if you want a drink while you play Craps. The girls making the big money are the pool and club hostesses.

We aren't talking about the women delivering drinks on the casino floor. This whole thread has been talking about the girls who bring you bottles in clubs

I know. My point is that the money is in the clubs and pools, whereas 20 years ago it was on the casino floor delivering drinks to gamblers. This is why casino floor cocktail waitresses have gotten progressively uglier over the years. Is that too off topic for you?