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03-30-2015 , 01:09 PM
http://www.reviewjournal.com/politic...ed-carson-city

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Senate Bill 439 would set guidelines for smartphone applications that would be used for transportation services, including transportation network companies. Companies would be required to register for an annual permit with the Public Utilities Commission and provide the name, age and address of its drivers, a copy of a driver’s license, a record of the driving history of the applicant and a description of the vehicle. Drivers also would be subject to criminal background checks.
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03-30-2015 , 01:14 PM
03-30-2015 , 03:33 PM
chance of this passing and allowing uber into the NV market?
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03-30-2015 , 03:38 PM
Hope it passes. Though I've already been deactivated from being an Uber driver in Seattle. I owned an incentive program so hard that they didn't pay me what I qualified for and effectively fired me for BS reasons.

Its a great transportation service, but if you want to work for them, they'll nickel and dime you to death, and fire you for whatever they feel like.
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03-30-2015 , 05:32 PM
Taxi Authority hired two ex-governors to lobby and testify against Uber. Totally have consumer interests at heart.
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03-31-2015 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bighurt52235
I owned an incentive program so hard
care to expand on this?
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03-31-2015 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Shiftyeye7
care to expand on this?


They reduced the fare rates, (yet again, making Uber considerably less than half price of a taxi) and so they guaranteed hourly rates. $22/hr (regular) 6a-midnight, and $28/hr (peak) 5p-3a Friday and Saturday.

Only qualifications were you need to average 1 trip per hour, accept 90%+ requests, and be online for at least 50 minutes of the hour to qualify for that given hour. So when driving its normal to average about 3 trips per hour, so the qualifications are extraordinarily easy to achieve.

So imagine that on Friday between 5p-3a, I complete 27 trips. Well those 27 trips are enough to cover the ten peak hours for Friday and the ten peak hours for Saturday. So essentially if I were to work ten hours on Saturday night, I would be doing so for free. And that's not good.

So here is what I figured is the way to play it. First, let me explain that you can be "online" for the Seattle zone about 100 miles South of Seattle, not sure the range on East, West, or North. Well 80 miles South of Seattle is a tiny little stick town with a Motel 6 and zero taxi culture. A place where I could lay in bed, watch TV, and be logged in, ready to accept all the requests that are almost certainly not coming.

So without too much detail, the last week that I did this, I actually worked 4 solid days (12ish hours), and logged 123 hours online. Completed 128 trips in those hours. My take home earnings were just over $800, and after the adjustments for the guarantees, was ~$1840.

So the week ends and payment statements come out Mondays. On the driver account website, you can see your up to the minute payment statement at any time. So Monday afternoon, I looked at the statement and all the money was there with my adjustments included. Which obv means that I qualified for them for their automated system to display that. Well when the final statement is posted that night, all the adjustments are removed. Fortunately I took screenshots of when the adjustments were posted there, proving I met qualifications.

I got an email saying I'm being temporarily deactivated and investigated for fraud. Well Thursday comes, payday, and I'm not paid the adjustments. Finally the next day I get an email saying that I attempted to defraud the guarantees by canceling a few trips that I had accepted, and in doing this I was defrauding the acceptance rate. I did that 3 times. Well if I had declined those, my rate is still well over 90%. They didn't mention a thing about the fact that I wasn't near Seattle. Email also said they are sticking with their decision to deactivate me. Pretty clear they were looking for any excuse to not pay me. Even though that email didn't say that I wouldnt be paid the adjustment as a result of their findings. In fact, it was never acknowledged by them at all.

Well here we are three weeks later, and I still haven't been able to speak to anyone from Uber about the decision. No phone number exists for them. Emails go unresponded to.

Today I'm calling a lawyer, because I want that $1,000 plus that I am owed. I doubt I have any case for loss of employment, but I don't know.

Morality of what I did, in my opinion: I played 100% by the rules they laid out. The day before I was deactivated, they put up a "fence", in that you have to be online in pretty much the downtown area to qualify for the guarantees. They should have done that in the first place. Secondly, I gamed a technology company that exists solely to print money, which they do. And lastly, I spend so ****ing much of my own money to work for them. Pay for my car, my insurance, $30 or so per day in gas, not to mention about 5,000 miles per month on my odometer. And they even charge you $10/week for the phone they provide to run the Uber app.
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03-31-2015 , 04:05 PM
So you're trying to collect money you didn't earn and they're the problem? Got it.
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03-31-2015 , 04:32 PM
When someone says "I will pay you if you do X", and then you do exactly X, yes you should be paid for it.

They then changed X to fit what they wanted, which is fine. But that change came after I had logged all those hours under the laid out guidelines.
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03-31-2015 , 11:37 PM
Don't waste money on a lawyer. Your state probably has an agency that deals with employer-employee problems. They'll work on it for free.
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03-31-2015 , 11:56 PM
Its not employer-employee. Its independent contractor i believe. Better call Saul.
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04-01-2015 , 03:25 AM
Either way, the state agencies usually try to make sure there's no abuse by employers.
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04-01-2015 , 05:48 AM
PP is correct in that I am, or was, an independent contractor. Truth be told I have zero understanding of what the implications of that are.

I would definitely prefer to go through an agency. What could I search for to find an agency that deals with such matters?
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04-01-2015 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Either way, the state agencies usually try to make sure there's no abuse by employers.
And after reading that story, you think the abuse was by the employer??
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04-01-2015 , 05:22 PM
Bighurt- I live in a college town. My house is about 1.5 miles from downtown/the university. I had to fight Uber to pay me the guarantee because they claimed I wasn't being active enough based on my idle location.
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04-01-2015 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DanAkaSalty
Bighurt- I live in a college town. My house is about 1.5 miles from downtown/the university. I had to fight Uber to pay me the guarantee because they claimed I wasn't being active enough based on my idle location.


Wow.

I fully admit that what I did was not in the spirit of the guarantees. Might even fit nicely into the OOT everyday scams thread. However, I did not do one single thing illegal, fraudulent (I actually did accept the one request I got while I was camping out, in fact I single handedly expanded their market a ~20 mile radius around me), or against their own guidelines. So I do feel that I am entitled to the adjustments for that week.

Firing me over it is odd though. Even before the guarantees I would frequently complete double the trips of their "top drivers" while maintaining an above average customer rating.
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04-01-2015 , 05:53 PM
And one more thing: when you have a brain, how can you justify playing taxi for ten hours on a Saturday night, spending $30 on gas, and adding 200 miles to your odometer when it won't add a single cent to your paycheck? That was the scenario I faced after completing enough trips Friday night to cover the Saturday night $28/hr guarantee.
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04-01-2015 , 05:58 PM
Article posted 4/1

Someone will be unhappy if ‘Uber bill’ is enacted in Nevada

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/tr...enacted-nevada
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04-05-2015 , 02:33 AM
Why hasn't anyone come up with a new ride share that treats their employees better ?
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04-05-2015 , 03:52 AM
Why hasn't someone come up with operating system software that works halfway decently on pc's?
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04-05-2015 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Why hasn't someone come up with operating system software that works halfway decently on pc's?
I dunno why, do you know the answer ?
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04-06-2015 , 12:54 AM
Same answer for both questions - There are, but the firstest dominates the market.
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04-06-2015 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Same answer for both questions - There are, but the firstest dominates the market.
Then that leaves the question:

Which ride share treats its employees (independent contractors) better?
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04-06-2015 , 03:07 AM
From the way it sounds, the answer may be "all of them".
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04-06-2015 , 04:35 PM
It's not like taxi companies don't treat their drivers like total garbage too. Maybe the problem isn't the company.
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