Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > 2+2 Communities > Las Vegas Lifestyle

Notices

Las Vegas Lifestyle Discussion of all things Las Vegas. Ask questions about hotels/shows/etc., coordinate meetups with other 2+2ers and post Las Vegas trip reports.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-04-2012, 06:34 AM   #31
Pooh-Bah
 
Pork Fri Rize's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Michelle Beadle Fan Club
Posts: 4,583
Re: TR: Chasing a WSOP dream and taking a shot at $5/$10. June 15th to 22nd

Lol at wallet under your pillow.
Pork Fri Rize is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2012, 09:43 AM   #32
centurion
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 105
Wallet in the kettle.
ukdannyb is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2012, 12:14 AM   #33
journeyman
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Colorado
Posts: 269
Re: TR: Chasing a WSOP dream and taking a shot at $5/$10. June 15th to 22nd

Great read! Really enjoyed. it.
jhop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2012, 10:31 AM   #34
grinder
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: uNL
Posts: 593
Re: TR: Chasing a WSOP dream and taking a shot at $5/$10. June 15th to 22nd

Quote:
Originally Posted by 18000rpm View Post
Seriously??

Your 4-bet was so small that he's calling with ATC that he 3-bets with, including all suited connectors and small pairs.

At no point after the flop did he bet or raise you, and folded on the turn and for some inexplicable reason you really think your Ace pair with second top kicker is no good??

Wow.

Otherwise a good read.
+1

OP sounds a bit fishy imo
chr147 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2012, 07:26 PM   #35
journeyman
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Between the turn and the river
Posts: 324
Re: TR: Chasing a WSOP dream and taking a shot at $5/$10. June 15th to 22nd

Quote:
Originally Posted by chr147 View Post
+1

OP sounds a bit fishy imo
Thank you gents. My poker world is one where I convince myself I am not a fish, but instead the victim of suckouts and coolers and that I only need a bit of luck to be the next ME champion. Over the years, there have been many attempts to burst this bubble in which my poker exists and I have learnt to ignore reality. Please please please let me happily exist in the ignorance of this dreamworld.

Alternatively, recognise this is a trip report rather than a poker strategy document.
Donk Dunc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2012, 07:32 PM   #36
journeyman
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Between the turn and the river
Posts: 324
Re: TR: Chasing a WSOP dream and taking a shot at $5/$10. June 15th to 22nd

Day 7

So, today is my last full day in Las Vegas so first things first…. Complete the shopping list of gifts for the family. Two hours in the Fashion Show Mall carrying an ever increasing number of carrier bags dealt with that problem. The challenge then was to find a way of paying for it all. Ahhhh, the $5/$10 at the Bellagio might be the way.

Straight off the bat I declared my $5/$10 beginner status to the table by answering the dealer’s question of how many $5 red chips (as opposed to $10 orange chips) I wanted, with “A couple of stacks”. Everyone else had $50 at most in reds and the rest in oranges! In hindsight, I’m still not sure if I got my arse handed to me at this game or if I was just unlucky. I think it was more bad timing than bad play but not totally a consequence of luck. You be the judge as I take you through the three hands that accounted for my $1000 bullet being a dud.

• Hand 1. I open for $30 with As-Jc from the hijack and the only caller is the cut-off. The dealer fans a board of 2-3-4, all diamonds, and we both check. The turn is a very appealing Jack of spades and I bet $50, only for my opponent to re-raise to $115. Now, I have top pair and top kicker in this hand and it is certainly not beyond my opponent to put me to the test in this spot. Equally, this could be him showing me I am way behind, so I decided to ask the question. I 3-bet to $220 and my opponent called. Being out of position, I felt compelled to lead any non-threatening river card and the 8 of clubs seemed to fit that bill. My bet of $220 was met with a re-raise all-in from my opponent. I tanked, upset with the situation but then threw away what I thought was a very strong hand. My opponent showed me 5-6 of diamonds for a flopped straight flush!

(I obviously butchered this hand, particularly the river bet. It has been posted and dissected on 2+2 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56...-flop-1215828/ )

• Hand 2. I open the betting again with A-K of clubs and the shortstack shoves. It seemed like an obvious call for me but my opponent had pocket aces. Oh, bollocks. The board gave me a King but one wasn’t enough and I was left shortstacked.

• Hand 3. A different opponent opened for $30 and I shoved my shortstack of $150 with A-K off suit. He called and I was up against his A-Q off suit. The board ran out J-T-7-6……K to give him a 3 outer on the river for Broadway. A 3 fuc#ing outer. For fuc#’s sake. Surely this has to stop sometime soon. This is really getting horribly painful now.

So, was I a suckout victim? The victim of coolers? Or was it just bad play? I didn’t mind losing my buy-in but I would have liked it to last longer than the two hours it did go for. I kinda feel that the last hand was just plain bad luck, the second hand was a bit of a cooler (let’s face it, AQ, AJ, QQ, JJ, TT, 99 makes the same move) and the first one I could have made a bit cheaper. I could have flat called his re-raise on the turn and then checked (and folded if necessary) the river to lose a cheaper pot. Either way, my $1000 shot at $5/$10 was not a successful one.

I took myself off to the Venetian for another crack at the $200 7pm Deepstack event and managed to knock myself out in level 6 with an ill-timed shove with K-Q suited into pocket Kings. That early knock out saw me searching for something completely different, and I settled on a $1/$2 game of PLO at the Venetian. That didn’t go as expected either.

I called off a bit of my opening stack of $400 in the first orbit, before folding to c-bets after the flop. It was then that a dealer change happened and as the old dealer was leaving the table, he called to the new dealer “Omaha Hi/Lo”. I thought it was just his way of having a joke as he left but I figured best to check this out with my neighbours at the table. They confirmed it was indeed Hi/Lo and I confirmed I had no fuc#ing idea what the hell was going on. Maybe I had folded potentially winning hands earlier on, at least good for the Lo half of the pot. I’ll play until the big blind gets round to me and then move on.

During this last orbit, I called another pre-flop raise and called again after the flop before taking a stab myself after the turn. My opponent folded and I was left stacking a few chips from the hand, having had no idea whatsoever if my hand was good, bad or indifferent. I guess that made me pretty difficult to read! I could leave the table with my head held high, despite the minor inconvenience of a $21 loss.

There was a big list for all the other games at the Venetian so I took advantage of being in the mecca for poker, and went off in search of another room with a shorter list. The $1/$3 No Limit Texas Hold’Em at Caesar’s Palace was to be my salvation. I quickly knuckled down but not before dropping $130 to a flopped set of 5s on a 7 high board when I held pocket tens.

Two quick hands of note; the first a well-played hand and the second a very lucky one. I was sat in seat 8 and in the 1 seat was a sunglasses wearing young player who rarely said a single word. His actions were slow and deliberate, and each of them seemingly meticulously thought through. He had shown a propensity for 3-betting, often from the button. In the hand of note against him, I opened from the button with 9-7 off suit and he thought long and hard about a re-raise before settling on a flat call from the big blind. Maybe it was being out of position that made him curb his naturally aggressive tendencies on this occasion. One other player came along for the ride too.

The flop was A-8-2, rainbow, and the player in question bet $45. The other player quickly folded and I started thinking. If he had been holding AJ, AQ or AK, he would have 3-bet pre-flop, based on his earlier displayed betting habits. If he had A8, he wouldn’t have bet so much. I therefore decided he must have been holding something in the 'weak-ace' range and also decided that he would struggle to call a re-raise from me here, especially considering I had been the pre-flop raiser. I settled on a re-raise to $110 and my opponent tanked for a while before laying down his hand. It wasn’t a big pot but it was one where I played the player well.

The next hand of note was one where I was exceedingly lucky, and one that I never expect to get away with ever again. A guy in mid-position opened for $10 after looking at his chips for a while and seeming like he wanted to bet more. The new player on the button re-raised to $25, the small blind called the $25 and I looked down at A-K off suit. I decided to 4-bet to $80 and strangely, all 3 of the other players called, the last one in the small blind just calling because, as he said, he was now valued in.

The flop was a 7 high rainbow and with $320 in the pot, I figured it was worth taking a stab at after the small blind checked to me. I slowly and deliberately slid out a bet of $220 and the original pre-flop raiser went into the tank. He talked long and hard about how he thought I had to have pocket aces here and he eventually threw his hand away.

The new player on the button then took his turn in the tank, and after a couple of minutes finally threw his hand away too. The small blind took his opportunity to tank on his decision too, but like the others before him, he eventually threw his cards face down towards the muck. “Come on, show us the aces” the three of them implored. I showed them my A-K and all three of them were disgusted.

The first had folded pocket Queens, the second pocket 9s and the third pocket 8s. In a single hand, I had managed to get three players, each holding an overpair to the board, to throw their hands away to my ace high! As I said earlier, I never ever expect that to happen again.

I played pretty solid poker in this session and managed to rack up a $576 winner. Despite that, I’m very conscious that a call or shove from any of those three players with the overpair would have wiped out that profit. Unless of course the turn or river card would have brought a King or an Ace.

Either way, it was nice to finally have a session where variance was on my side for a change. I felt like it was loooooong overdue.
Donk Dunc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2012, 10:04 PM   #37
adept
 
Coach McGuirk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Loving the booze.
Posts: 1,193
Re: TR: Chasing a WSOP dream and taking a shot at $5/$10. June 15th to 22nd

Cheers!
Coach McGuirk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2012, 05:20 PM   #38
journeyman
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Between the turn and the river
Posts: 324
Re: TR: Chasing a WSOP dream and taking a shot at $5/$10. June 15th to 22nd

Day 9

After checking out of The Planet Hollywood, somewhere I have vowed never to return to following their declared misdeal when I had pocket Aces, I headed off to the Wynn for my final game of poker. I should have stayed at The Planet Hollywood.

After a couple of hours of missing draws and being sucked out on (AJ lost to K2 – what the fuc# was he doing calling pre-flop?), I was onto my second bullet and playing A-K off suit. On a flop of A-9-2, both my opponent and I checked before seeing a 3 on the turn. He bet and I flat called. The river paired the 2 and I was confident my King kicker would be good enough to take down this pot. He bet enough to put me all-in and so, when I called, I said that if he had backdoored the flush, his hand was good. What I wasn’t expecting was him to turn over A-9 for the bigger two pair. Ouch, a $600 loss at my final poker session, made a little easier to swallow by a quick $325 profit at Blackjack Switch on my way back to Planet Hollywood to collect my bags from the concierge.

After an hour in the airport funding the worst payout slot machines in the universe, and paying the scumbags at United an extra $200 because my case was now overweight, I finally boarded my flight to San Francisco and began the long, torturous journey home. En route, I had time to come to some conclusions about my poker, the WSOP, and my love/hate relationship with Las Vegas.

My top 5 poker conclusions
1. I definitely ran under expected value during the week. I remember three hands clearly where I was on the right of good fortune;
• Hitting the wheel in the Golden Nugget tourney to crack my opponent’s pocket Kings
• Being on the right side of a set over set situation at the $2/$5 in the Bellagio
• Getting three overpairs to fold to a c-bet at the $1/$3 in Caesar’s
But I also clearly remember being on the wrong side of many more hands where the chips went in when I was a long way ahead. I was also on the wrong end of a few coolers, not least of all a couple of hands at the Bellagio $5/$10.

I ran very poorly in coin flips, winning none that I can remember, as well as very rarely hitting my draws, (other than the one in the MGM that did give me my flush but also gave my opponent the full house).

2. I am sometimes a decent TAG player but never a good LAG player. When playing low stakes ($1/$2 and $1/$3) I play way too many hands, convinced I can outplay people after the flop. This is delusional. I play my best poker when the stakes are a little more significant and I play fewer hands and play those hands more aggressively. This is the same in tourneys where in the low buy-in tourneys I play too loose.

3. During tournaments, I am solid at the start, establishing a table image that I can exploit later on. When I am moved tables in these tourneys, I carry on as before without re-establishing that table image. To be successful in these tourneys, I need to be mindful to rebuild that image before trying to continue exploiting an image I have left behind on the previous table.

4. Never ever call a shortstack’s shove. Either fold or shove over the top. Calling just puts you at risk of being put in a very awkward situation. When I did that in one of the Venetian Deepstack events, I was put in that awkward spot by another player and the irony was that I had been able to exploit someone else making that mistake earlier in the tournament.

5. Focus in long tournaments needs to improve. The first goal has to be staying ahead of the advancing blinds and antes, not leading the table with chipstacks. Being on the wrong end of a suckout (my AA losing to 99 when all in pre-flop in WSOP Event 33) is one thing, but entering too many pots when in a decent position is not excusable. These tourneys should be played to survive day one, not played to try and lead day one.

Las Vegas as a solo travelling poker player
1. Being a solo traveller has its advantages but can also be lonely at times, particularly when you have just been knocked out of a tournament and are in search of sympathy and understanding.

2. The plus side is that there is no restriction on the amount of poker that you can play. Being able to freely roam from one tournament to another, and from one cash game to another, without consideration for anyone else, is a massive upside for a poker junkie.

3. Eating properly is a problem when travelling alone. Quickly grabbed sandwiches and bagels are the norm, and eating a proper meal in a restaurant just felt uncomfortable. A dedication to a proper diet, or at least one proper meal a day, would be something I would commit to next time I make this trip solo.

4. The biggest challenge is how to fill time when not playing poker. Many times I needed to have a break from the tables, but the easiest way to fill this time is by sitting at a roulette, blackjack or other casino table game. That is not something that positively contributed to my bankroll.

5. The ability to stay in touch with friends, family and the outside world is critical. Whether it is Facebook, Twitter, text messaging, e-mails, or a very quick phonecall, that contact with the normal non Las Vegas world is so important for maintaining sanity.



Other learnings to carry forward to next time?

Other than learning from the poker experiences and insights from the week of poker, there are a few other learnings I will carry forward for when I embark on another Las Vegas poker trip in the future.

1. Travelling with family and/or non-poker playing friends reduces access to poker. Travelling alone means that any escape from poker (and gambling) is difficult. The ideal balance is travelling with a poker playing friend. I will work much harder next time to convince one of my poker playing friends to come with me from Australia.

2. I won’t stay at The Planet Hollywood again. My room was great, the location is perfect and they don’t charge resort fees. But, their handling of the table game in the circumstances I have already described, was in my opinion, somewhere between terrible customer service and downright dishonest.

3. The $20 trick on check-in is a must do, wherever in Las Vegas you stay.

4. Wiring money to The Rio in advance worked surprisingly easily. Collecting registration for the events already paid for at The Rio was also a smooth process. Doing that again is a no-brainer.

5. Oddly, I make more effort to follow the World Series Of Poker when I am at home in Melbourne than when I am close by in Las Vegas. If I’m not in the event, I’m more interested in my own progress elsewhere than I am in other players’ progress in the WSOP. When I’m 10,000 miles away in Melbourne is when my interest levels are at their highest.


And finally, the finances
• Tournament poker. -$3,640 in entry fees, +$1,264 in prize money
• Cash game poker. -$1,437
• Other gambling. -$433
• Other expenses (food, drink, taxis etc) -$708
• Hotel Bill -$700
• Shopping (and gifts) -$1,645
Total -$7,299

See you next year Vegas.
Donk Dunc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2012, 10:47 PM   #39
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Riverman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 51,065
Re: TR: Chasing a WSOP dream and taking a shot at $5/$10. June 15th to 22nd

Dear lord. I had to stop reading halfway through day 7 because I've run this bad and it is really ****ing painful.
Riverman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2012, 11:15 PM   #40
old hand
 
StarberryBSD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: SoCal by the Beach
Posts: 1,769
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donk Dunc View Post
And finally, the finances
• Tournament poker. -$3,640 in entry fees, +$1,264 in prize money
• Cash game poker. -$1,437
• Other gambling. -$433
• Other expenses (food, drink, taxis etc) -$708
• Hotel Bill -$700
• Shopping (and gifts) -$1,645
Total -$7,299

See you next year Vegas.
BALLER.

That's one expensive trip!

This is a good sign that you are running good IN REAL LIFE (ie. able to take this loss without being financially devastated), which is the most important part.

Ty for the detailed TR and we will see you next year!

Cheers,

S
StarberryBSD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2012, 01:28 AM   #41
journeyman
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Between the turn and the river
Posts: 324
Re: TR: Chasing a WSOP dream and taking a shot at $5/$10. June 15th to 22nd

Quote:
Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
Dear lord. I had to stop reading halfway through day 7 because I've run this bad and it is really ****ing painful.
I appreciate having someone to share the pain with!

Quote:
Originally Posted by StarberryBSD View Post
BALLER.

That's one expensive trip!

This is a good sign that you are running good IN REAL LIFE (ie. able to take this loss without being financially devastated), which is the most important part.

Ty for the detailed TR and we will see you next year!

Cheers,

S
Thanks Starberry. Poker money is very separate to life money and so long as my poker is self-financing, I have a very supportive wife. (The suitcase of presents helps that metagame too)

Back in January, I binked a 3rd place in one of the Aussie Millions event so that financed this trip and means I came home with some bankroll left over. So long as I can keep ahead of the blinds and antes for the next 12 months, I'll certainly be back contributing to the Vegas poker economy next June!
Donk Dunc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2012, 11:53 AM   #42
adept
 
amusedlol's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 760
Re: TR: Chasing a WSOP dream and taking a shot at $5/$10. June 15th to 22nd

Great conclusion to the TR. Well, not the -7k part, but the rest was a good read.
amusedlol is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2012, 01:08 PM   #43
grinder
 
TMack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NC
Posts: 612
Re: TR: Chasing a WSOP dream and taking a shot at $5/$10. June 15th to 22nd

Seems like u had a fun but expensive trip.. The most important thing is that u enjoyed it
TMack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2012, 11:19 AM   #44
old hand
 
marknfw's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: DFW, Texas
Posts: 1,849
Re: TR: Chasing a WSOP dream and taking a shot at $5/$10. June 15th to 22nd

Thanks for the report. Enjoyed.
marknfw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2012, 06:40 PM   #45
veteran
 
hfrog355's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,759
Re: TR: Chasing a WSOP dream and taking a shot at $5/$10. June 15th to 22nd

Nice report.

$700 for a hotel for 9 days is great considering it doesn't seem like you split any of the expenses or banked TR status. Well done.

Regarding the misdealt table game: you should turn your hate from PHo over to table games in general. Roll that money into finer dining choices and other entertainment options to balance out the poker action. If you dropped $600 more on food and misc entertainment, I think you'd enjoy it more than the several sessions of degen gambling. Shop around for a reasonably priced massage and chill out in a spa for a few hours. Much better use of time and money IMHO.

That and PHo's location relative to Aria and Bellagio (not to mention their own cash action) makes it a great place to stay.
hfrog355 is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:07 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 2008-2010, Two Plus Two Interactive