In this era of houses pushing their edges more and more, this is a breath of fresh air. I hope they get some good PR and press out of this.

Ironic being that it's the Riviera and all.

They are very nervous about their single deck game. They dump the deck whenever they feel like it and it gets watched very closely.

That sounds a lot like Slots O Fun used to be. I went in there once with a friend and the dealer was giving 80% pen on a double deck game. After playing about 15 minutes, dealers were switched and the count went very positive on the new deal. After 3 hands, the pit boss tapped the dealer on the shoulder, whispered something to her, and she started shuffling again. Then shuffled every deck after 3 deals.

No commission pai gow is pretty great, but not great enough for me to spend my precious Vegas time inside the Riviera.

I'm the SVP of Casino at the Riviera and came up with all these reduced odds games as a promo tool to get people in our place. I also read 2+2 constantly so I'm surprised I missed this thread.

Yeah, the steakhouse is newly redone and it is the shizz! We began 10x Odds on Craps last summer, then a few weeks ago I literally said "F it, let's do 1000x Odds!"

Thanks for the well wishes! I spent a few years in Macau and became addicted to the ridiculous action in the table games and in the poker rooms. I took the job at Riv without ever setting foot in the property (even tho I'm a LV native). Ever since I started about a year ago, my main objective has been to create a place with sick action that true casino gamblers would love to come to.

I completely agree with you that other casinos are becoming more and more of a rip-off. A few months ago while playing poker at Aria I went over to that grill by the sports book and ordered a burger, fries and coke for $38. I guess they have to pay off that $6billion debt one burger at a time!

I want the Riv to be the opposite of this.


There are two ways to look at what the 1000x odds does to our statistical advantage.

Technically, I believe it does nothing because I look at the bets as two separate transactions. The pass line bet of $5 carries it's built in advantage for the house. The second transaction, the odds, is a break-even bet for both sides. I basically pretend it doesn't even happen. The other way to look at it is that it dilutes the advantage based on how much odds you take.

Please PM me for my contact info and give me a call when you come in. I'd love to watch anyone take a shot at our games!

This is correct, you don't get theo for 1000x odds. However, if your actual loss is significant you can be sure that you'll get some comp points!

Really? We try not to be a casino that sweats the action at all and all that stuff should be procedural... If you come back and get that sense again please let me know names and times and stuff. Thanks!

This is awesome. I haven't been to the riv since I was a busto 21 year old. Now I'm excited to go back next time im in vegas. Great attitude toward your customers.

yeah my next trip will certainly include a trip to the riviera for some pai gow and certainly drunken tilty slot play that will earn me lifetime rooms there probably

I called and spoke with a pit supervisor at Riviera. He was cautious to say that the odds count toward theoretical and average bet, but he did say that they count for something.

Many places DO rate your odds as part of your overall average line bet. I believe for the most part the Riviera does too. A $5 line bet with $5k odds might not be the same as $5k / hand BJ, but it does matter in terms of comps.

If you're betting that high at the Riviera, you're the top fraction of a percent of players. You're communicating with a host and getting the comps you desire.

So assuming Noah is the read deal, I like his philosophy and I may check out the Riv next weekend when I get to Vegas baby!!!!.

I believe noah was the person answering questions in a long-ago thread about finding a new poker room manager at the Riv. He's either the real deal or he's an amazingly consistent and long-term level.

Noah, I used to hit Sahara once a trip for some ridiculous fun time gambling. We are headed out next weekend and I believe the Riv has taken over for the dearly departed Sahara; or at least is getting an audition. I like where your heart is on these promos.

Why wouldn't two friends come in and have one play 5k on don't pass and the other play 5k odds? Wouldn't you be gurenteed to break at least even every role?