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Old 09-16-2016, 08:12 PM   #26
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Slight derail - how is the loyalty program? I don't want to get a free room at Palace Station anyway, but how does it compare to CET? I wouldn't mind free/cheap stays at Red Rock, or even Palms, but not if I have to throw $10 million coin in.
Are you a local? I get very little beyond free play and a small food coupon. I'll get free rooms at their cheap places and $79/$89 type deals at Red Rock and GVR. I suspect tourists would get better hotel offers.

You get a host at 100,000 coin-in during a six-month period. That doesn't include games that fall under player advantage like the 100% games.
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Old 09-17-2016, 10:00 AM   #27
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Leon,

Went through your past trip reports after finding this one. They are both excellent man thanks for taking the time to let us get a look at someone doing Vegas right! I don't even play VP and I am thinking about finding some multi-liners and giving them a roll.

Gl at the machines!
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Old 09-17-2016, 11:29 AM   #28
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"Big" ultimate X hits

Here are some of the bigger UX hits I've had. "Big" is kind of arbitrary, and in this case it means "I wasn't left with the feeling that I got robbed or that it should have been bigger, and was pretty darn happy with the result".

I'll start it off with this one- I've posted it before. We all know you "never" get a royal when you get dealt 4, and of course the result is usually total blanks. Every once in a while, fate lines up...



Two out of 5 lines come in... yeah, I'll take that.




The last time I've been dealt premium quads with a kicker. It's been months and this money is long gone.



Drawing at 3 to a royal is about 1000:1 against- a long shot, to be sure, but play enough and it's actually not that rare of a circumstance. At least here the machine had the good grace to put it on a multiplied hand.



10x multipliers everywhere; I'll be honest, when I hit "deal", I figured I'd get dealt crap. And then when I saw the 3 4s, I still assumed I'd miss. Making a premium hand in 2 of 5 spots was a major score.

And, the most recent/best one for last. I was playing partnered with my dad- I'm in for 25% here so it's unfortunately not all mine. Note the 1$ credits.

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I also had a 4x multiplier royal hit at 25c that unfortunately my phone was dead for, so I was unable to snap a pic. It was beautiful- I held two suited broadway and insta-pushed the deal button to just speed things along, assuming I wasn't going to make a big hand and just wanted to move on to the next one. Then, the machine started going crazy ringing up credits. I look on the first line at "Royal Flush- 4000 x 4 = 16000". So pretty.

For the next post, I'll post some of the other random games I've taken a shot at, and my thoughts.
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Old 09-17-2016, 12:09 PM   #29
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Are you a local? I get very little beyond free play and a small food coupon. I'll get free rooms at their cheap places and $79/$89 type deals at Red Rock and GVR. I suspect tourists would get better hotel offers.

You get a host at 100,000 coin-in during a six-month period. That doesn't include games that fall under player advantage like the 100% games.
Yikes, 100k is the equivalent of 10k tier credits at CET. I can't see doing it in 6 months. I haven't put in that many all year so far at CET.
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Old 09-18-2016, 03:23 AM   #30
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I absolutely love dreamcard. Took some pictures of some big hits.

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Old 09-18-2016, 06:35 AM   #31
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This saddens me greatly.
You are my hero; I respect your ability to report the bad run without any attempt to deflect, or soften, the angst!

I hope you will let Skipper****ingBob treat you ro some free UBER rides the next time you are in Vegas!

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Old 09-18-2016, 09:58 AM   #32
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I went to my local casino to play last night and found some ultimate x multi liners but they were't like the ones Leon took pics of. They would sometimes trigger a multiplier but it would apply to all the hands.

Biggest hand I hit was A's with a kicker on one line for 500 bucks. These no good bastard machines got me because I started playing 3 hands but once stuck I moved to 5 and then 10. Had two four to a royal draws playing 5 lines but bricked them both out. Had my heart pumping though.
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Old 09-18-2016, 10:24 AM   #33
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I absolutely love dreamcard. Took some pictures of some big hits.
Absolutely BADASS. Yes, it's visions of stuff like this that makes me want to play DC as well. These were at Red Rock?

That said, I signed up for a free play site yesterday while bored at work, and proceeded to cycle tons of hands on DC simply to try and get dealt something huge (I would purposely hold garbage, if dealt garbage, just to cycle faster). I must have played for hours- not one dealt trip A,2,3 or 4 or 4 to a royal then the "DC". It's a good reminder of just how long you can play and never be dealt a monster.
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Old 09-18-2016, 10:24 AM   #34
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This saddens me greatly.
You are my hero; I respect your ability to report the bad run without any attempt to deflect, or soften, the angst!

I hope you will let Skipper****ingBob treat you ro some free UBER rides the next time you are in Vegas!
LOL I'm still alive Bob! No need for an Uber as my folks have their car in Vegas, but I appreciate the offer!
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Old 09-18-2016, 01:29 PM   #35
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I absolutely love dreamcard. Took some pictures of some big hits.
TDB Dreamcard? Wasn't Leon looking for this game?
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Old 09-18-2016, 03:58 PM   #36
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TDB Dreamcard? Wasn't Leon looking for this game?
I was. Next time I come to Vegas- it's on.
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Old 09-18-2016, 11:57 PM   #37
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TDB Dreamcard? Wasn't Leon looking for this game?
Yes Red Rock offers 9/6/4 TDB DC. I usually stick to 9/6 DDB since it's "full pay" and I don't like the reduced 3oak payouts on TDB. I do go for it if I'm up a lot or trying to chase lol.
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Old 09-19-2016, 01:17 AM   #38
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Yes Red Rock offers 9/6/4 TDB DC. I usually stick to 9/6 DDB since it's "full pay" and I don't like the reduced 3oak payouts on TDB. I do go for it if I'm up a lot or trying to chase lol.
But... but... won't you be super pissed if you get dealt 4 A,2,3 or 4 w/kicker at DDB? These days I only play DDB if TDB isn't an option.

Definitely going to hit Red Rock next time I come into LV. I told my dad about it already and he's game- he just needs help getting around. Question djat- where are the machines in relation to the valet? All I want is for you to point me in the general direction and I can figure it out from there- something like "when you walk in from the valet head to X".

Thanks!
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Old 09-19-2016, 03:28 AM   #39
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Yeow, those were $25 a push. I'll just be a spectator at that level.

I was in the Orleans so I checked some machines. They didn't have te paytables that Red Rock has. BTW someone should check GVR too, it's only 4 or 5 mils from the Strip on 215. Anyway, at the Orleans on the Five Star machine it has both Dreamcard and Ultimate X (not in the same game) on quarters. The DC has BP at 6/5 and TDB shown as 24/18, which I guess is 8/6, not that great. Ult X had BP at 6/5 and DDB shown as 24/15 which I guess is 8/5, also not that great. No TDB at Ult X or JoB at either game.
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Old 09-19-2016, 02:11 PM   #40
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"Other" versions of VP, some hits and random thoughts...

I'll start with single line. I went through a phase where I was playing single line quite a bit; I've posted some pics before of some of the hits; I don't believe anything I'm going to post will be a repeat but if it is, apologies. Anyways...

Pros- "less" money spent per push for a given unit, eg 5 lines x 1$ credit = 25$/push, 1 line = 5$/push. Obv. Run bad periods seem less damaging.

Cons- variance quite a bit higher than multiline, due to "all or nothing" nature of single line. Dry spells are super boring. Missing big draws over and over (bc you only get one shot at it) can be maddening.

Overall, I get the appeal of single line, but short of a big progressive or some other reason (better paytable, game only offered single line like "loose deuces" etc) I'm basically done with it. Here are some instances that make me want to go back...



Ahh, the glory when it finally comes in. 10$/push is on the low end for me- 8k score is still on the high end.




Same comments as above caption.



On this day, I hit this within 5 min of entering the casino. You feel like you can't miss when this happens. I should have just left- of course I ended up donking a significant portion back.

Multistrike


I've only ever played this in single line version; I can see how multiline might be more fun. I think the same comments I made about regular single line apply here as well. In addition, I know it's POSSIBLE to make a big hand on a multiplier, but it just seems like such a long shot occurrence (as opposed to something like UX where the multipliers come along all the time). In retrospect I got lucky to even make the below hand (tough to make anything single line), but of course I lamented the fact it wasn't a multiplier. I don't think I'll be playing any multistrike in the near future...



Ultimate 4 of a kind bonus

Here, if you make quads a separate feature triggers where you get to pick a number of cards for extra credits. The basic gist (some of this might be a bit off but it's close enough) is if you make "regular" quads you get one pick, quad 2,3,4 you get two picks, and quad aces gets 3 picks. Depending on the card you pick, you can win anywhere from an additional 200 to 4000 credits (if you pick the joker, they have you pick from a 53 card deck).

You have to bet an extra credit per line, and if I recall correctly the worse paytable and the extra credit ends up making this worse than the base game.

I played it a couple of times just to change it up, and the thought of making regular quads (which are so ho hum at this point) but then getting to potentially hit the joker and BANG! turn it into a royal was appealing. So I gave it a shot on a day I was pretty stuck...

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This turned a loser into a winner. The three picks got me an extra 700$. Sure wish I picked the joker- would have been nice to turn a "one royal" hand into two!

In the next installment, I'll bring you all up to speed on my latest Vegas trip (yes, there was one, and no, I didn't make a TR from it bc I suspected I wouldn't be able to give it the attention I'd like).
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Old 09-19-2016, 04:10 PM   #41
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This type of stuff makes me want to go degen a hefty sum to try and hit a monster like some of these. Keep up the good work Leon. You are a living legend.
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Old 09-19-2016, 05:07 PM   #42
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Leon:

You held AAA3? Approx. 46 to 1 against.

Why not just AAA? Approx. 22 to 1 against with a backdoor kicker.

Was the extra payoff with the kicker worth it or were you just doing wishful thinking?
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Old 09-19-2016, 05:09 PM   #43
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How tilting that must have been for Leon to get 4 Aces and the kicker on multi-line at the bottom-level.

I hit a Royal at multi-line at the 4X level several years ago, but only for 25 cents. Still, the $4,000 was SWEET and remains one of my top 5 all-time biggest hits.

I think every other time since then, I have been a loser playing multi-line. EVERY time! I just can't seem to ever win at the game, anymore.

The opposite is true for me at 10 Play TDD. Not Ultimate X, just the regular 10 Play TDD. Booked 6 or 7 winning sessions in a row playing that..a few were pretty big.

It almost feels like I know how to beat the game..yeah, RIGHT.

Will be playing again tomorrow night..obviously posting this here ends my rungood..
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Old 09-19-2016, 06:12 PM   #44
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Leon:

You held AAA3? Approx. 46 to 1 against.

Why not just AAA? Approx. 22 to 1 against with a backdoor kicker.

Was the extra payoff with the kicker worth it or were you just doing wishful thinking?
He is playing Triple Double Bonus where AAAA + 2, 3, or 4 pays the same as the royal. That is the correct play. It is basically a one outer to a royal flush payout.
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Old 09-19-2016, 06:21 PM   #45
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He is playing Triple Double Bonus where AAAA + 2, 3, or 4 pays the same as the royal. That is the correct play. It is basically a one outer to a royal flush payout.
Thanks, saved me from having to answer. Holding the kicker is also correct in a trip 2,3,4 situation- exact same payout/odds ratios.
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How tilting that must have been for Leon to get 4 Aces and the kicker on multi-line at the bottom-level.

Will be playing again tomorrow night..obviously posting this here ends my rungood..
Stu- are you talking about my multistrike pic? If so, that was 4 3s w/kicker, not aces. And yes, it was kind of tilting.

Good luck man- the one thing I've learned about this game is that things never turn out exactly like you'd think. WAY too many misses, last minute saves, huge sessions when I thought I'd be busted, huge losers when I told myself "just 5 more min"... I know I have zero ability to predict the outcome.

Except for us all going busto eventually. But hey, we're all dead eventually, too.
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He is playing Triple Double Bonus where AAAA + 2, 3, or 4 pays the same as the royal. That is the correct play. It is basically a one outer to a royal flush payout.
Thanks to you and to Leon too for the 432 play at Triple Double Bonus play. But is going for the 22 to 1 shot for a AAAA high kicker worth going for too, with the the 234 kicker royal flush payday as an extra? I know that mathematically what you advice is right but what I'm trying to get is the logic of it. AAAA with high kicker pays okay too and if you get 234 with it, hooray!

I assume that at Double Double Bonus, one holds only the AAA, right?
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Thanks to you and to Leon too for the 432 play at Triple Double Bonus play. But is going for the 22 to 1 shot for a AAAA high kicker worth going for too, with the the 234 kicker royal flush payday as an extra? I know that mathematically what you advice is right but what I'm trying to get is the logic of it. AAAA with high kicker pays okay too and if you get 234 with it, hooray!

I assume that at Double Double Bonus, one holds only the AAA, right?
The expected value of holding AAA only is 7.33 coins for each wagered. Holding AAA+2, 3, or 4 is 9.21 coins.

The logic is that you're 47-1 of hitting your royal payout. If you hit the ace in the scenario of drawing two cards, you will only have 11 other outs on the kicker (you discarded one) out of 46 for the jackpot for 24%. You double your chances of hitting 160-1 but make hitting 800-1 1% instead of 2.12% plus you have three outs for a boat instead of needing to catch a pair.

You do not hold the kicker with AAA on Double Double Bonus. It is marginally better than AAA + kicker.
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The expected value of holding AAA only is 7.33 coins for each wagered. Holding AAA+2, 3, or 4 is 9.21 coins.

The logic is that you're 47-1 of hitting your royal payout. If you hit the ace in the scenario of drawing two cards, you will only have 11 other outs on the kicker (you discarded one) out of 46 for the jackpot for 24%. You double your chances of hitting 160-1 but make hitting 800-1 1% instead of 2.12% plus you have three outs for a boat instead of needing to catch a pair.

You do not hold the kicker with AAA on Double Double Bonus. It is marginally better than AAA + kicker.
Hey, thanks for the explanation. Taking your advice 100%.
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You turned me from a craps degen to a VP degen back in May. I love/hate you and wish you nothing but the best. Good luck bro!
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leon my hero... just got back from a couple nights in Vegas. Added up my W2 forms once I sobered up.... +72k. I even managed to bring back 50k of it after hookers / blow / pits. Not looking to derail, I just owe it to you.

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I imagine im pretty effed come tax time but thats a problem for future canoe.

You can come back man, if my dumb ass can do it you definitely can too
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