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Old 06-01-2012, 04:03 PM   #16
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Got through. No questions asked, left if in my carry on.
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Old 06-01-2012, 07:27 PM   #17
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Re: Limit on cash carried on airplane?

Police can and do seize large amounts of cash. If they suspect it is involved business. It is then up to you to prove that it is clean, but the whole process of having your money returned to you can take months.
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Old 06-01-2012, 08:58 PM   #18
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Police can and do seize large amounts of cash. If they suspect it is involved business. It is then up to you to prove that it is clean, but the whole process of having your money returned to you can take months.
True, but enough with this paranoia. You're flying in and out of Vegas for Christ's sake. Do you think people don't fly in and out of there with tremendous amounts of money on a daily basis?

There are zero laws restricting how much money you can fly with, within the united states. It's simple. If they question what the money is for, tell them exactly the truth.

It's amazing how this same thread pops up at the end of May each year and the only story that is mentioned of a seizure is Viffer, who if I'm not mistaken bought a one way ticket soon before his flight in cash. Therefore the red flag.

KingBB, Bav, JayLV, etc can shed more accurate light on wiring the money, or taking a line of credit but from what I understand the casino basically expects you to spend that dough in the pits. They aren't your bank.

You'll be fine op. you're doing nothing wrong. Don't act like it or believe otherwise.
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Old 06-01-2012, 09:25 PM   #19
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Wrong. Sorry. Read the Viffer thread.
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Old 06-02-2012, 12:54 AM   #20
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True, but enough with this paranoia. You're flying in and out of Vegas for Christ's sake. Do you think people don't fly in and out of there with tremendous amounts of money on a daily basis?

There are zero laws restricting how much money you can fly with, within the united states. It's simple. If they question what the money is for, tell them exactly the truth.

It's amazing how this same thread pops up at the end of May each year and the only story that is mentioned of a seizure is Viffer, who if I'm not mistaken bought a one way ticket soon before his flight in cash. Therefore the red flag.

KingBB, Bav, JayLV, etc can shed more accurate light on wiring the money, or taking a line of credit but from what I understand the casino basically expects you to spend that dough in the pits. They aren't your bank.

You'll be fine op. you're doing nothing wrong. Don't act like it or believe otherwise.
I use the Viffer thread because he's a well known poker player we can all relate to. There are MANY other examples.

Daniel Negreanu had trouble leaving the country with lotsa cash to play in some Caribbean tournament which he documented in his blog a couple years ago. He'd dutifully checked the ">$10K" box and still was dragged out and detained for a long while, almost missing his flight, and only making it apparently because some law dog recognized him and told the others to leave him alone.

Phoenix airport alone seized over $3 million in 2011. http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/val...arcotics_t.php This is worth reading just for the couple stories within, including the line, "he noticed the guy had an awkward gait.They took the suspect to a private room and soon found $96,000 in two tightly packed rolls tucked into his butt cheeks." The humorous comment above about latex isn't really that far fetched.

The famous Ron Paul guy who was grabbed and threatened by TSA simply for having $4700 in cash (demonstrating that there's nothing at all magical about $10K... TSA and DEA and friends have no more right to take $470,000 from you than $470): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEJpzVPmih0 (Yes, he was sorta asking for it by being uncooperative, but he has the Constitutional right to be uncooperative--silly 4th and 5th amendments are so annoying.)

It happens all the time that folks traveling with cash to buy cars, pay for medical procedures, gamble, or whatever have their money taken from them without cause. Simply having that much in cash can be used by itself as evidence of guilt at the discretion of the officers involved. And somehow the US courts have allowed the perversion to continue. To get your money back you must prove it is not illicit booty; The burden of proof shifts to you.

Just because you've carried $50K in cash on you 8 times without a problem doesn't mean you won't have a problem. If 1% of the time your cash is taken from you, most travelers will never have it happen. It's not a risk worth losing enormous sleep over, but it's a risk. Having some evidence of where you got the money may help (a bank receipt showing you withdrew it a few days ago, say, in preparation for your trip).
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:02 AM   #21
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"I play poker for a living, I'm going to Vegas to play in the WSOP" herp derp
Herp derp... bav said it all, but you have to be pretty naive to think that excuse will do the trick. Once again, many people have had their money, money that was legally obtained, confiscated by the police. At that point the burden of proof is on you, and saying you play poker for a living doesn't prove a whole lot on the surface, so bye bye money - hire an attorney and let him make a case for you.

Like bav said, it's not a huge concern, but there is a real risk, and to assert that everyone is a paranoid idiot is disingenuous.


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KingBB, Bav, JayLV, etc can shed more accurate light on wiring the money, or taking a line of credit but from what I understand the casino basically expects you to spend that dough in the pits. They aren't your bank.
Are you really saying a casino doesn't want you to wire a bunch of money to their casino in which they hand you your money in their casino? This isn't a Pokerstars player transfer. Vegas casinos love it when you wire a bunch of money to their cage.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:57 AM   #22
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Re: Limit on cash carried on airplane?

So what happens when you ship the MAIN EVENT? Can you carry on duffle bags full of cash as long as they fit in the overhead bin?
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Old 06-02-2012, 04:35 AM   #23
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So what happens when you ship the MAIN EVENT? Can you carry on duffle bags full of cash as long as they fit in the overhead bin?
That's what I plan on doing.
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:18 AM   #24
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Re: Limit on cash carried on airplane?

These threads pop up all the time, but the discussion is more warranted than some of you think. This shouldn't be a 1% issue. It should be one in 10 million issue. I'm at the airport right now in Ft. Lauderdale and am getting worked up thinking of the injustices that occur at airports. Personally, I very much look forward to having the means to not have to fly commercially.

As for the wiring money to the cage, I can speak from my gaming education at UNLV that casinos are not in the business of letting you use their financial services for non-gaming activity. You can do some general banking in conjunction with gaming, but there are some provisions in place to ensure you're not wiring money to a casino cage for non-gaming purposes. As a poker player at a Caesar's property, wiring money for the WSOP is acceptable and encouraged.

In general if you're wiring money in advance to a casino cage, you have to redeem your funds at table games as markers. Markers can be obtained for high limit slot players too, but of course this isn't much of an issue since there aren't many properties which cater to slot players who plan on losing tens of thousands of dollars.

Casinos are required to follow many of the regulations they do to prevent money laundering. If money laundering is your intention, imagine how easy it would be to use a casino to do so without these rules.

On a final note before I board my plane, these body scanners are brutal. Taking out big wads of cash and holding it over your head while the TSA agents glare at you with suspicion is uncomfortable and annoying. I hate what TSA has become in this country and around the world.

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Old 06-02-2012, 01:26 PM   #25
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Are you really saying a casino doesn't want you to wire a bunch of money to their casino in which they hand you your money in their casino? This isn't a Pokerstars player transfer. Vegas casinos love it when you wire a bunch of money to their cage.
What ico said is correct, they want any front money (whether it's wired or a line of credit) to be used in the pits. Why would they want to take the risk of either holding your money or granting you credit if you're not going to then gamble it in their casino (and note that playing poker is not "gambling it in their casino"). There will be places like the Rio that allow you to get that money for poker, but in general it's a YMMV scenario. Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it won't, and they really frown on taking a $5k marker at a blackjack table, playing one $10 hand and then coloring up.
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:14 PM   #26
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What ico said is correct, they want any front money (whether it's wired or a line of credit) to be used in the pits. Why would they want to take the risk of either holding your money or granting you credit if you're not going to then gamble it in their casino (and note that playing poker is not "gambling it in their casino"). There will be places like the Rio that allow you to get that money for poker, but in general it's a YMMV scenario. Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it won't, and they really frown on taking a $5k marker at a blackjack table, playing one $10 hand and then coloring up.
If you wire money to a casino, you can pull it at the cage at any time. It's not taking a marker, it's merely getting the money you put on deposit. At that point they can only track it if you take it in flags and then use the flags.

Many, many people wire in money to the Bellagio for the WPT events and have no problems using it simply for poker.
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Old 06-02-2012, 05:16 PM   #27
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Re: Limit on cash carried on airplane?

Very interesting thread. Let's say for example you had just won $20k in Vegas and you are in the airport for your trip home (or anywhere else). How can you actually prove you won the money playing poker? I can just imagine a scenario where they say "we don't believe you" and seize all of your cash. I can't think of many worse things than that. I hope it never happens to me or any of you guys.
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:29 PM   #28
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Wire the damn money FTW
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:40 PM   #29
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If you wire money to a casino, you can pull it at the cage at any time. It's not taking a marker, it's merely getting the money you put on deposit. At that point they can only track it if you take it in flags and then use the flags.

Many, many people wire in money to the Bellagio for the WPT events and have no problems using it simply for poker.
I agree with your previous posts that carrying a lot of cash on you is not problem for 99.9% of domestic flights. You're gonna get more scrutiny flying out of small airports than flying out of Vegas, where they see people leave with monster stacks of cash frequently, so if may help to bring a tax return with you as precaution. If you look young or dress like a gangsta, consider dressing nicer, as it makes you look far less sketchy than wearing your grinding gear.

However, my personal experiences differ with respect to the above about wiring. I've wired money into Aria and Venetian the past two summers and they will only allow you to withdraw 10% of the wired funds as cash. The rest of the funds must be redeemed at a gaming table and if you play just a few hands and leave, I am sure your wire transfers will be more heavily scrutinized in the future. You mention large tournaments, and agree that you can use wired funds to buy into those, but the casinos are way nittier about allowing you to withdraw wired funds for cash games.
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:56 PM   #30
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Very interesting thread. Let's say for example you had just won $20k in Vegas and you are in the airport for your trip home (or anywhere else). How can you actually prove you won the money playing poker? I can just imagine a scenario where they say "we don't believe you" and seize all of your cash. I can't think of many worse things than that. I hope it never happens to me or any of you guys.
If it's a tournament score, you'll have a receipt from the win. If it's a cash game, I've never won that much but it's my understanding that the cashier will make you do some paperwork when you cash in a large amount of chips, so you should be able to get a copy of whatever forms they have you fill out.
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