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Serious question- how can one truly prove poker collusion beyond a shadow of a doubt? Couldn't any soft play just be defended as an honest mistake? Seems almost impossible to truly "prove" unless you're a mind reader, beyond blatantly making signals or passing cards to each other

It is nearly impossible unless other players suffer a measurable material loss (of time or money) due to the actions/ misactions of two or more players working in tandem or a combination of employees/players working together. Also, TD gets ultimate say in whether act of collusion has occurred. If WSOP likes Tim, it'll be difficult to have sanctions handed down.

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07-03-2017 , 12:20 AM

#12678

NickMPK

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BTW, does anyone know if Neeme has actually won more than Trooper this year? I think he's on an almost 10k downswing.

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07-03-2017 , 12:23 AM

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pistol noon

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Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 204

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Originally Posted by mrducks

Shouldn't WSOP investigate this? I would be very concerned if I was playing those SNG's.

Roast King you're the only one with your panties all tied up in a knot...maybe you take a deep breath or better yet impose a time out on yourself before you......

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07-03-2017 , 12:25 AM

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synth_floyd

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Is anyone tracking Neeme's w/l record? I'd be interested in knowing that, but I was assuming that aside from his recent downswing he was way, way in the black.

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07-03-2017 , 12:26 AM

#12681

justscott

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I don't think Neeme post all his W/L. HIs videos were mostly just weekly, so most likely not all of his sessions.

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07-03-2017 , 12:33 AM

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pocket_zeros

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Originally Posted by mrducks

The guy explained his colluding strategy at the WSOP at Rio and you're cool with looking the other way so he can make some more vlogs at the expense of multiple people getting fleeced at the SNG's?

I just want him banned from the WSOP events. Let him play at Excalibur and Golden Nugget all he wants. Just no more collusion and scamming at the WSOP or WSOP related events where he can exploit his SNG collusion with his friends!

I don't disagree that it looks shady and that there very well may be collusion (intentional or not - hard to believe he thinks it's collusion otherwise it would be dumb for him to be so open about it). It's just the volume and intensity of your content that's making me feel dirty participating in this thread. The YT videos pushed me over the edge. Maybe it's just me.

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07-03-2017 , 12:35 AM

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synth_floyd

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What kind of bankroll would you need to play at Neeme's stakes, which are 2/5 and 5/T? $50k?

And LOL @ Alec after that scumbag angle he pulled.

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07-03-2017 , 12:36 AM

#12684

TexasDolly

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Originally Posted by synth_floyd

What kind of bankroll would you need to play at Neeme's stakes, which are 2/5 and 5/T? $50k?

30-50k

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07-03-2017 , 12:45 AM

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Duffman08

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Originally Posted by TexasKK

If you think there's an issue, you should contact the casino, have them investigate (i.e. watch the tape), and get back to you. Just watching a video of a couple guys playing poker together is simply not good enough to make the kinds of accusations that you're making. Be careful, ducks, you are 100% on the verge of slanderous defamation.

He crossed that line back when his every other post was accusing Trooper of being a scammer by screwing over his backer (with no proof) and then the backer himself came in here and said Trooper had been straight up with him.
Pretty astounding the MODS let him continue this behavior.

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07-03-2017 , 12:49 AM

#12686

surfinillini

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Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 10,405

I'd say Andrew has a 75k-100k bankroll to play the games he does with those 3-4K swings.

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07-03-2017 , 12:49 AM

#12687

PLIKITYPLAK

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Neeme and The Bosk are on massive downswings

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07-03-2017 , 12:52 AM

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NickMPK

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Originally Posted by synth_floyd

What kind of bankroll would you need to play at Neeme's stakes, which are 2/5 and 5/T? $50k?

And LOL @ Alec after that scumbag angle he pulled.

I recall Neeme saying on his Pokercast interview that he was always overrolled for the stakes he was playing. So I doubt this downswing has any real effect on his bankroll.

But he said in the same interview that he also used to fall into a lot of other mistakes that inexperienced pros make. And one that seems to have stuck with him might be playing too long when he is losing.

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07-03-2017 , 12:54 AM

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synth_floyd

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Neeme was -$1.3k in the vlogger game and -$3.1k in his comeback session after his eye infection healed. I don't recall any of his results prior to that.

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07-03-2017 , 12:54 AM

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IAVegasLover

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Originally Posted by PLIKITYPLAK

Neeme and The Bosk are on massive downswings

Boski won over $22,000 in June.

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07-03-2017 , 12:56 AM

#12691

NickMPK

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Originally Posted by synth_floyd

Neeme was -$1.3k in the vlogger game and -$3.1k in his comeback session after his eye infection healed. I don't recall any of his results prior to that.

I believe he lost $3.9k in the last session before the eye infection.

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07-03-2017 , 12:57 AM

#12692

Duffman08

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Originally Posted by NickMPK

Eh, I think the mistakes were pitt degening / enjoying pricey beverages....he seems to do a decent job putting in long sessions regardless of results. Trooper on the other hand...his biggest leak is clearly cutting winning sessions short (booking small wins) and staying forever if he's stuck (notice a lot of small wins but almost never a big one).

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07-03-2017 , 01:45 AM

#12693

iFreeSki420

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mrducks, you say you want people to stop watching his videos so he doesn't get any ad revenue, but literally no one has given him more ad revenue than you. what would you do with your life if he stopped making videos? are you a happy person?

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07-03-2017 , 02:05 AM

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PLIKITYPLAK

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Originally Posted by IAVegasLover

Boski won over $22,000 in June.

Is that net or gross and is it based off his vlogs so far or Herndon mob?

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07-03-2017 , 02:10 AM

#12695

mrducks

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Originally Posted by iFreeSki420

Happy Enough

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07-03-2017 , 02:12 AM

#12696

mrducks

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Originally Posted by pistol noon

Roast King you're the only one with your panties all tied up in a knot...maybe you take a deep breath or better yet impose a time out on yourself before you......

Sorry, not Roast King but I am a fan of his so far. After this recent news development, I feel his videos and rants have MUCH more merit.

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07-03-2017 , 02:15 AM

#12697

mrducks

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Originally Posted by jfez

Ducks' exaggerated outrage is lol. Some mod needs to give him a week off so his bleeding finger stumps can heal.

Sorry if it came off too strong but it just felt like the last straw with this guy. There's been some annoying stuff before but this felt like the line has been crossed. Do we really want rec players thinking that the WSOP has stuff like this going on?

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07-03-2017 , 03:08 AM

#12698

mitsi

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Tooper twitter response

"Horse ****. Friends wanna play at the same table all the time. Never colluded, no need to"

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07-03-2017 , 03:20 AM

#12699

Labax

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Originally Posted by Duffman08

Yeah nailed it

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07-03-2017 , 03:21 AM

#12700

Labax

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Originally Posted by mitsi

Tooper twitter response

"Horse ****. Friends wanna play at the same table all the time. Never colluded, no need to"

Lol, then go show the money on the bed pics on the vlog.

Trooper acted like one of those drug dealers who posted a bathtub full of money on Instagram when they don't have an actual job and then wonder why the cops are at their door the next day.

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