In my view, Rayz could have either a) talked and had fun but played tight or b) played looser but stayed verbally silent if he was a little intimidated to talk on the stream.

He did neither. He played tight and silent. Boring as hell, might as well not have been there for large portions of the night. In a game like this, seats should be filled by those entertaining us by playing or by talking or both.

(Good examples from the past would be Phil Laak or Antonio on HSP. Played like nits but knew how to entertain by acting goofy and spazzy with table talk)

Charles did both.

Did everyone at the table need to play loose and spewy? Of course not, but to be silent as a rock and barely play hands was just lame as a viewer to watch.

I might be being hard on Rayz, I just checked out a few of his vlogs before the game and he was clearly excited about it, maybe he got nervous or just wanted to keep a low profile and not make a fool of himself.

I don't know. He seems like a cool enough dude, but I stand by my point that as a viewer I want to be entertained and the vloggers should have known as much and tried a bit harder to either chat it up at the table or play more fun hands and keep things exciting.

I hold BikeKing, Neeme and Owen and even Boski at least as responsible, though. To have so many players sitting practically mute and folding on a televised stream was just bizarre to me!

Some of the players streamed live for a while at the table, too... and those streams showed a LOT more fun table chat than the Stone Twitch stream did.

Suggestion for next time: mic the players and back off on the commentary from the booth. We didn't really get to hear the table chat nor see any of the crazy straddling. Get us into the game, rather than into the head of Bart (no offense Bart).

Great post. As a viewer, I have a hard time believing any unbiased person can argue or disagree with this.

+1

A lot more like the greatest of all time, Poker After Dark!

Agree, more mics on the players, less commentating. I didn't hate the commentators, because I believe they were filling gaps, especially when large portions of the stream were players folding and barely speaking. But when players did speak, only Kraut and Charles could be heard.

Dudes need to learn how to be on TV, how to speak up, how to entertain and create an interesting presence. That's what this stuff is about--if you don't like it, don't come on a stream or try to have a public presence!

I would like to see next game played in Vegas. I would bet that they could get a casino to let them do there own show. Set up one camera for live no hole cards and they can each vlog and record there own hands to edit later. Hell Trooper might even play.(One could wish anyway) But i do agree with Trooper the winner last night was stones casino as they had a bigger audience then they ever had before And maybe charles who might have earned some new subs like me.

You can still watch it.

I don't disagree with most of this. I do think you are so far off and misguided, probably because you listen to Trooper, about the casino benefitting from the VLoggers. VLoggers and poker are a drop in the bucket for a casino. To think they are leeching(I believe how Trooper puts it) off low to mid stakes poker grinders is just factually not correct.

I think you are thinking to shallow here. When a casino is spending money to promote a poker love steam show they need and want viewers. I was a great way for them to get eyes on there product your naive not see that. Not to mention Bart Hanson looking for new student's for Crush Poker which he plugged on many occasions..

No, I'm really not. I don't disagree that there is cross promotional marketing going on. I just very much disagree with the outlook that poker VLoggers are being used and exploited. Which is basically one of Troopers many excuses for not playing. Which is ridiculous.

oh ffs... vegas and calif casinos, for the most part, would really prefer not to have poker. If they could fill that floor space with slots rather than poker tables they'd do it faster than you call off with top pair.

Brad found this casino in Sac town that is not only open to the idea, but caters to the players. Stones card room is a unicorn here.

Well it is refreshing that you are apologizing for your actions, and I'm sure you will never do it again.



One thing any poker player knows..

Thank you

I never thought I would miss conversations from trolls hating on troop because this vlogger game conversation is soooo boring, much like the game

It also kills your narrative that we can only talk about Trooper. That being said, his vlog yesterday pushing an app that no ones heard of for half of his vlog was pretty terrible.

I saw one funny comment, "In a Tonkaaaa voice.... It's sellout time boys"

I laughed

Interesting new Trooper video from Washington State, a bit of a change from Vegas.

Which is true in his newest vlog:

1) Trooper vlogged from Washington State, which is why he missed the Vlogger game.



2) Trooper had another losing session.



3. Trooper ate a tomato.

Was that my narrative? It's all I talk about

It's amazing that a 44 year old man can have so many new life experiences such as eating an avocado. Now if he can learn how to pronounce avocado that would be a monumental life achievement.

Is it not? Maybe I just assumed incorrectly.

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cross promotion ok thats like saying Neeme does a vlog with Bowski and they get equal value out of it. No bowski gets tons of value Neeme gets close to none.
StonesLive get Couple hundreded views at best where Neeme gets 60k or more how is that promoting vloggers. Like i said only vloggers who got value where the small channel guys.But then there value came more from Neeme and Owens viwers not Stones casino.
anyway i will agree to disagree its cool

THIS

My other top moment was when he said how everything is so green in South Carolina but so brown in Las Vegas.

Yes, genius, it is called "desert"..

Good for you Trooper

1st time ever eating Avocado lol. Why the F don't you order No Tomato if you don't like it?

Oh and nice story about fighting off 10 guys in a locker room.

At the end of the day, it was the VLoggers that wanted to organize the game and Stones casino agreed to host and pay for flights and hotels for most if not all the VLoggers. There's minimal to no money in a one off live streamed game on twitch or YouTube. Agree to disagree is fine with me though. I think we've exhausted this enough.