Anyone eaten at Joe's?

http://joes.net/las-vegas/

About 6 mos ago. It was OK - not fine dining like Picasso or Cut, but service was pleasant, my wife was good with her steak and it's pretty hard to **** up crab legs. The key lime pie was very good. I'd be happy to eat there again, but I wouldn't make an effort to get there, if that makes sense.

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Its the final meal I eat every vegas trip.

consistently good, but I consider it a lunch spot as opposed to dinner. Certainly isn't fine dining ( I was there in flip flops and shorts).

They don't like mentioning that they have a lunch menu so ask for it and it will appear. Show your TR card and you get some money off.

Absolutely blown away by breakfast at mon ami gabi. And I thought bouchon was good...it is...but wow. Anyone care to give me an updated list of top 5 steakhouses? Cut at V still top dawg?

General opinion on this thread will get you:

CUT
SW
Delmonico
Carnevino
18-way wildcard tie for 5th

Most people tip up CUT as the #1 but I prefer SW. I would also drop Carnevino from the list, which maybe a little contentious but the last 2 visits have been underwhelming and I see no reason to give them a 3rd chance when I know for sure there are great alternatives.

On wild cards, you could have places like Echo & Rig, but I'm assuming the norm is that people won't make a special trip to get to it. On strip, Gordon Ramsays gets good reviews, I haven't been there. My personal wildcard fav is StripHouse in PH. They seem to give their steaks a little extra scorch to finish and extra seasoning and it just hits the right spot, but clearly not a good pick for anyone that doesn't like their steak served that way.

Downtown you have Vic&Anthony, Andiamos, Hugos Cellar. Hugos was always an old fav and I can overlook the slip in standards "for old times sake" but if you've never been before, you'd probably just think it was unremarkable. V&A is probably the safest downtown choice and is also a pretty good choice for solo dining should you find yourself playing poker in the area and hungry at an odd time.

That makes my personal top 5

1. SW
2. Strip House
3. CUT
4. Delmonico
5. V&A

In no particular order: Cut, Carnevino, Delmonico, SW, Craftsteak. Haven't had Cut (next trip!), so I'm deferring to others who always place it near the top. Craftsteak is underrated on these lists IMO

Lots of people on here (myself included) don't think Craftsteak belongs in the top 5. My experience has been very underwhelming, steaks ok, service below par (getting the Kobe tasting menu hard-sell is a frequent comment) So it is possibly underrated, possibly correctly rated. All down to personal preference ofc, everyone can like a different steakhouse for different reasons and everyone can be right. It wasn't so bad that I would turn down someone's invitation to buy me dinner there, but that's about it, based on 3 visits.

For under-rated/under-mentioned, StripSteak in Mandalay Bay was very decent (2 years since last visit) Charlie Palmer does (did?) an amazing fixed price menu that was incredible value and Tender wasn't as good as it was years ago, but with a $75 MyVegas coupon in your hand, it is tough to go wrong. Service solid, steaks perfectly fine, just not really worth going too far out of your way for.

Went to StripSteak last year and was very impressed.

If you search for Craftsteak in this thread, you'll find several people who weren't too impressed with it and one person who loves it but not for its steaks but tasting menu.

One thing that kinda bothers me even though it probably shouldn't since everything on the strip is overpriced anyway: All other steakhouses have sides starting at $9-$12 while the cheapest ones at Craftsteak are $15.

As previously mentioned, my top "underrated" steakhouse on the Strip is Striphouse at PH. Always go there when we have PH resort credit to spend and haven't been disappointed.

To those of you (like myself) who prefer your steak well-done: which restaurant do you recommend for steak or prime rib?

It's probably an absurd waste of money to get a well-done steak at one of the high end steakhouses, but I would still think that a well-done steak at Cut is better than one at Outback?

One thing I wouldn't worry about in Las Vegas is a steakhouse refusing to cook your steak well-done. They will ask twice if you really want it that way and tell you it will take significantly longer for the food to arrive, but in the end they are going to make it the way the customer wants it to be. Vegas restaurants can't afford to be uppity in that regard like non-chain steakhouses in other cities. Same goes for things like coffee. You won't find an espresso bar that flat out tells you that you can't have milk because that beverage isn't supposed to be consumed with milk. That's something that happened to my wife multiple times in hipster coffee places in other cities in the past.

Please don't spend $60+ for a well-done steak. Just go to Outback or if you want to be in a nicer environment than that, Ruth's Chris.

I'm on the list of people that think CraftSteak is overrated (been there a few times, have never been impressed). Ditto for CarneVino, but that applies only to steak since everything but the steak is great. I also seem to have a contrarian view on Jean-Georges, which I have always been impressed with while others haven't. Charlie Palmer is underrated (practically a hidden gem), while Prime is high up on my "never again" list of Vegas restaurants.

As someone who really wanted to like CraftSteak and gave them multiple chances, having been there four times now... don't bother. Only been to Delmonico once but would not go back there, either. To be fair, I went with the filet instead of the ribeye.

Surprised nobody has mentioned n9ne over at the palms, ate there 5 years ago with my girlfriend and had a great meal. Has it gone downhill since then? Anyone have good/bad experience there recently?

I agree.

Got a super lame question, my wife and I don't have massive appetites, but love the concept of tasting menus to try a lot of things and don't want to waste food we are too full to eat. I know several places make everyone at table order, anywhere good in Vegas where we wouldn't get kicked out trying to have just 1 of us order and other eating from it as well? I don't expect them to split it, just serve to one of us and other eats as well.

Totally agree about five years ago n9ne was a good option for a more relaxed vibe where you could still get a really good steak (and the scenery was tough to beat). I went 18 months ago and just had an extremely sub par meal. The manager at the end of the night even came over to me when he found out I was a local and really apologized for the experience. My date's steak was medium rare when she ordered medium well, my steak was closer medium well than the rare I had ordered (she only told me after she finished her meal and I sent mine back). Lobster bisque I ordered was the most bland version of it I have ever tasted. Believe there was one or two other complaints, was just enough to cross the place off when there are so many other great steak options in Vegas.

I don't have a direct answer for you, but you can get two separte fixed price meals at L'atelier and combined you should be able to share like 6-8 courses total, which shouldn't be a crazy amount of food?

At N9ne was there any chance you and your date ordered the same cut and they gave you hers and her yours??

Years ago (the last time I tried N9ne) it was very very boisterous and while the meal was ok I pretty much marked it as a place to go on a stag night and not a good place to take a date, unless I wanted to shout at her.

No, she got a filet. But we definitely remarked afterwards that just switching probably would have improved both of our experiences. I prefer a quieter restaurant in general, but sometimes the club vibe can work, especially if you are going out afterwards. I've probably eaten there ten times in my life, but I would imagine since ownership has changed, the chefs have changed, there just isn't the attention or money put towards the place anymore. If you are at the palms, I think eating upstairs at Nove is a better option, I don't think it is amazing Italian food, but its above average for Vegas and the views are great to bring out of towners.

Just to throw my two cents into the mix on steakhouses. My friend and I had this conversation years ago that I am now just about coming around to. We were eating at nice steakhouses about once a week, and he was saying that good steak at some point can only be so good. I think a lot of steakhouses in Vegas have very similar standards for making for example a great ribeye, so for me a lot of the steakhouse rankings come down to other things like side dishes, apps, or preparation of the steaks.

1) Carnevino- I have had the super aged ribeye, and while that was an experience, it definitely was not the best steak I have ever eaten. Number 1 for me because the pasta appetizers blow away anything else in Vegas, and if I had to choose just one meal it might just be a mix of 2 or 3 appetizers.

2) Cut- best pure steak experience ever was a few years ago we had an off the menu rib eye tasting menu that was incredible. Think the apps and sides are some of my least favorite of the major steakhouses.

3) Stripsteak- I think the steaks here definitely have a unique buttery flavor that is a little different, and I really love all of the seafood app options

4) Delmonico- To me the steaks don't really stick out as above another ten steakhouses in town, but man the sides and apps are so good, especially if you like New Orleans. Also a big fan of the tableside caesar.

5) After these 4 there is a big dropoff in my opinion for various reasons whether it be atmosphere, lack of creativity, falling off of quality (SW), John Curtas just gave a really awesome review of Jean Georges at Aria, so maybe I need to give that another try? Right now I would put Striphouse number five for me just because the three times I have eaten there have all had the same level satisfaction, although there was no wow factor.

On the topic of steakhouses in Vegas, are there any others on the strip that do a tasting menu like Craft? I enjoyed it there, but looking through this thread, it looks like there's quite a few better steakhouses.

Thanks in advance!


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I will certainly agree that one should not spend $60+ for a steak one won't enjoy. My position is that if a restaurant that specializes in steak cannot properly prepare a well-done piece of beef, then its staff is sub-par. By "properly prepare" I mean that my enjoyment of my steak is the same as your enjoyment of your steak.

Let me follow up by saying that Outback does not provide a really good steak; decent, maybe.

My view on cut is well noted, craftsteak wasn't great...

Currently sitting at old homestead, will decide shortly....!

The point is that once you cook the ever-loving hell out of a steak, it doesn't really matter much what quality of meat you had in the first place. The variance in meat quality diminishes the more you cook it. This is like taking top shelf whiskey and mixing it with coke- you will not know the difference anymore.