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Just a warning about smoking weed in a room Just a warning about smoking weed in a room

04-06-2010 , 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MMOB
Your friend just needs to get a competent lawyer who will have all of the evidence thrown out of court and the case dismissed. This is a pretty blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment, which pertains to any location where an individual expects a right to privacy, including a hotel room. There has been plenty of case law on this matter for over 50 years. Here is but one example that is clearly on point:

http://supreme.justia.com/us/333/10/case.html

And here is a more recent case from the State of Washington:

http://www.aclu-wa.org/detail.cfm?id=654
Actually this is not violating his rights, as soon as they smell weed, they have the right to search, especially on their property.
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04-06-2010 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by LiveActionPro
Actually this is not violating his rights, as soon as they smell weed, they have the right to search, especially on their property.
so cops can just "smell weed" all the time and search whatever/whenever they want?
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04-06-2010 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LiveActionPro
Actually this is not violating his rights, as soon as they smell weed, they have the right to search, especially on their property.
I take it your not in the USA, we have this thing here called the Constitution, which requires a warrant signed by a Judge, before the cops can kick your door down..
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04-06-2010 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by john voight
so cops can just "smell weed" all the time and search whatever/whenever they want?
You mean they can just "hear a gun shot" and then draw their gun and bust down a door?

Or "see a car crash" and stop traffic and shine a flashlight into a car or try to pull someone out of it?

What is this madness? It's like you can't just do whatever you want whenever you want, including breaking the law, and leave evidence of it around, and expect to be left alone when you're annoying bellhops by calling them to your room to smell the evidence over and over.
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04-06-2010 , 12:26 PM
so some rent-a-cop finds some contaband in a drawer after the occupant of the room indicated that they would prefer that their room not be searched

if i'm the judge, I want to know the connection between the contraband and the accused, especially if the accused is not the tenant

flimsy case
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04-06-2010 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by john voight
so cops can just "smell weed" all the time and search whatever/whenever they want?
Oh, the naivete!

There are court cases about cops stopping suspected gang members on the street and searching them because the cops claim they can tell whether someone is hiding a gun under their clothing by the way they walk. IANAL and have no idea how that turned out, but in the interest of impartiality let's just say that police are given (for better or for worse) pretty wide leeway in doing what they want. Depending on your political view, this is either a great use of police experience and intuition to protect law-abiding citizens from criminals, or a horrible venue for police misconduct to be whitewashed.

Chris Rock says it best ... the best way to avoid getting your ass beaten by the police is to obey the law.
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04-06-2010 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by KingBBinLV
There were no physical damages to the room, I understand your point if say he broke a lamp, then I would be responsible. He didnt break anything except the law, which is why he was charged and not me. Theres a big difference between the two.
Again, not so, but go ahead and not take the basic precaution of covering your own ass because you're above accepting advice from strangers.

Your friend committed a felony in a room rented under your name. At the very least I would consult with an attorney to make sure I was not in any way liable alongside my friend. Again, go ahead and ignore advice from strangers, but wasn't that what you wanted from this thread in the first place?

I have no sympathy for your friend (or you from your responses to this and other posts in this forum) since a crime was committed here. Vegas is very strict with this type of thing - any resident of Clark County should know this and I suspect you and your friend are about to find out the hard way.
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04-06-2010 , 01:27 PM
So he is being charged with a felony correct? What all did he have on him? And how much?
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04-06-2010 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by KingBBinLV
I had got a room for a friend of mine last week at the Palazzo. He was staying there with a girl. They clouded out the room. She called the bellman to come get her bags cause she was leaving, when he got there she sent him away cause she decided she was gonna stay. A little while later she called the bellman again cause she was gonna leave, he came up and she sent him away again and said she was gonna stay. A little while later the bellman comes up to the room again and this time he is with 3 security guards. My friend answers the door and they say they can smell weed and can they come in the room, my friend told them he would prefer it if they don't. They said well we werent really asking you, this is private property so were coming in. They proceeded to search his room and all his belongings. He told me at this time 2 more security guards were in the room bringing the total to 5. After they found all the rest of his stuff in the desk and in his bags they called LV Metro. He was detained in the in house holding area of Palazzo for 8 hours, then he was booked in to CCDC and charged with a pretty big felony for what they found in his room.

So just a warning to everyone on here thats comin to Vegas, if your gonna smoke in your room make sure you use the towels under the door and do not call for bag assistance.
Brutal.
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04-06-2010 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Online Veteran
So a guy got busted for smoking weed on private property... Sounds like he got what was coming to him. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but if the legal system wasn't broken in the first place, none of this would have happened.
FYP
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04-06-2010 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by banzi
Again, not so, but go ahead and not take the basic precaution of covering your own ass because you're above accepting advice from strangers.

Your friend committed a felony in a room rented under your name. At the very least I would consult with an attorney to make sure I was not in any way liable alongside my friend. Again, go ahead and ignore advice from strangers, but wasn't that what you wanted from this thread in the first place?

I have no sympathy for your friend (or you from your responses to this and other posts in this forum) since a crime was committed here. Vegas is very strict with this type of thing - any resident of Clark County should know this and I suspect you and your friend are about to find out the hard way.
I'm not looking for your sympathy Banzi. If you read the thread title it says "Just a warning", Thats what it is, it's a warning to my fellow 2+2'ers that smoke pot in their rooms. I have a very good lawyer available if I needed him. I already stated in the thread that the only person arrested was my friend, even the girl that was in the room was let go and she was a few feet away from the stuff that was found.
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04-06-2010 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Sagan
So he is being charged with a felony correct? What all did he have on him? And how much?
Yes he got charged with a felony, he had weed in the room (obviously), and a lot of something that he shouldnt have had and a grip of pills. He only got charged with the thing that he had a lot of. No charges for the pills or the weed. I'd rather not say exactly what he had and how much of it on the forum.

I think he was supposed to meet with his lawyer today, if he does I'll update on what he says.
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04-06-2010 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JFK2LAS
I take it your not in the USA, we have this thing here called the Constitution, which requires a warrant signed by a Judge, before the cops can kick your door down..

No, it doesn't. Plain view, exigent circumstances, etc. Like others have said, cops get a whole lot of leeway when deciding whether it's appropriate to kick your door down (or search your house, person, car, whatever) without a warrant.

Aside from that, this has nothing to do with this case since it wasn't the police who went into the hotel room. 4th Amendment protects you from the government, not from private hotel security on their property.
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04-06-2010 , 04:43 PM
So boys and girls, what have we learned so far...

1) Don't go out of your way to piss off "the little people."
2) Don't mistake your weed smoke for a flea bomb. Be more discreet.
3) Dopers acting like lawyers write both funny haha and funny weird stuff in this thread.
4) Anti-dopers acting like lawyers write funny weird only, not much haha in them.
5) Hotel security are the gorillas...they will go anywhere they want to on "their" turf.

Anything else?

As OP said: "You've been warned."
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04-06-2010 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by KingBBinLV
Yes he got charged with a felony, he had weed in the room (obviously), and a lot of something that he shouldnt have had and a grip of pills. He only got charged with the thing that he had a lot of. No charges for the pills or the weed. I'd rather not say exactly what he had and how much of it on the forum.

I think he was supposed to meet with his lawyer today, if he does I'll update on what he says.
So maybe the title of this thread should be changed to:

"Don't smoke Weed in your Vegas hotel room when you've pissed off the Bellboy three times with no tips and he spots a couple of bricks of [insert class A narcotic here] on the bed"

No wonder security acted the way they did.
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04-06-2010 , 07:57 PM
That's a bit long. "Just a warning about smoking weed in a room" has more intrigue and arouses my curiosity as a recreational forum reader.

Although I might suggest adding "hotel" before "room".
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04-06-2010 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by eco74
No, it doesn't. Plain view, exigent circumstances, etc. Like others have said, cops get a whole lot of leeway when deciding whether it's appropriate to kick your door down (or search your house, person, car, whatever) without a warrant.

Aside from that, this has nothing to do with this case since it wasn't the police who went into the hotel room. 4th Amendment protects you from the government, not from private hotel security on their property.
Very good ......you were able to list two of the many exceptions to the warrant requirement, but you still fail Constitutional Law 101. Since the Constitution still requires a search warrant prior to searching one's home, or any place where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy, subject to the many exceptions.

Also your hotel /security not the Govt argument fails since clearly they are acting as agents to the police.

Your overall grade ...F
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04-06-2010 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JFK2LAS
Very good ......you were able to list two of the many exceptions to the warrant requirement, but you still fail Constitutional Law 101. Since the Constitution still requires a search warrant prior to searching one's home, or any place where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy, subject to the many exceptions.

Also your hotel /security not the Govt argument fails since clearly they are acting as agents to the police.

Your overall grade ...F
*sigh*.

No.

I'm done. This is dumb.
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04-06-2010 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by banzi
So maybe the title of this thread should be changed to:

"Don't smoke Weed in your Vegas hotel room when you've pissed off the Bellboy three times with no tips and he spots a couple of bricks of [insert class A narcotic here] on the bed"

No wonder security acted the way they did.
She called the bellman twice, of course they should have tipped the guy for his time, no doubt about it. They were pretty stoned and in the middle of an argument or something, so bad move on them. There were no narcotics in plain view any where in the room, reread my original post. Just the marijuana smell in the room.

It's just odd that neither one of them got a charge for the weed that they found, the assortment of pills that the girl admitted were hers and the pills my friend had.

Surprised they didnt get a charge for all the other stuff, he just got a trafficking charge because of the amount that he had. As I said, she didnt recieve any charges!
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04-06-2010 , 08:32 PM
Out of curiosity, was any cash confiscated? I hear stories about excessive asset forfeiture seizures by police in drug-related incidents. Would this extend to casino chips as well, I wonder?
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04-06-2010 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesAt15
Out of curiosity, was any cash confiscated? I hear stories about excessive asset forfeiture seizures by police in drug-related incidents. Would this extend to casino chips as well, I wonder?
No cash or chips were confiscated.
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04-06-2010 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by fishyak
So boys and girls, what have we learned so far...

1) Don't go out of your way to piss off "the little people."
2) Don't mistake your weed smoke for a flea bomb. Be more discreet.
3) Dopers acting like lawyers write both funny haha and funny weird stuff in this thread.
4) Anti-dopers acting like lawyers write funny weird only, not much haha in them.
5) Hotel security are the gorillas...they will go anywhere they want to on "their" turf.

Anything else?

As OP said: "You've been warned."
solid and accurate post.

things said itt were funny haha not funny queer
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04-06-2010 , 09:34 PM
Does it start with an H, a C, or an E?


Trying not to pile on, but it seems your friend and his stupid **** of a gf were having this long, petty argument and she called the bellman twice to take her **** because 'she was leaving'. Weed, pills, and some large trafficky amount of heroin or whatever are not bad in the right hands, but they are completely awful when paired with stupid. Your friend and his future ex are the stupid in this equation.

Your friend is probably going to prison unless he has some real $. True story.
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04-06-2010 , 09:45 PM
Probably been said. Thread should be "Smoking weed in your room is fine, unless you're a lazy moron."
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04-06-2010 , 10:04 PM
well, it's been a pretty good thread for LVL. I mean, it's definitely different than a same 'ole, same 'ole trip report. I hope you're right King and that your good deed doesn't bite you in the ass. I'd be interested in hearing what happens to your friend if you don't mind sharing it.
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