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Old 04-04-2010, 06:03 PM   #1
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Just a warning about smoking weed in a room

I had got a room for a friend of mine last week at the Palazzo. He was staying there with a girl. They clouded out the room. She called the bellman to come get her bags cause she was leaving, when he got there she sent him away cause she decided she was gonna stay. A little while later she called the bellman again cause she was gonna leave, he came up and she sent him away again and said she was gonna stay. A little while later the bellman comes up to the room again and this time he is with 3 security guards. My friend answers the door and they say they can smell weed and can they come in the room, my friend told them he would prefer it if they don't. They said well we werent really asking you, this is private property so were coming in. They proceeded to search his room and all his belongings. He told me at this time 2 more security guards were in the room bringing the total to 5. After they found all the rest of his stuff in the desk and in his bags they called LV Metro. He was detained in the in house holding area of Palazzo for 8 hours, then he was booked in to CCDC and charged with a pretty big felony for what they found in his room.

So just a warning to everyone on here thats comin to Vegas, if your gonna smoke in your room make sure you use the towels under the door and do not call for bag assistance.
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Old 04-04-2010, 06:07 PM   #2
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Re: Just a warning about smoking weed in a room

maybe if he wasnt retarded he wouldnt have gotten arrested
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Old 04-04-2010, 06:10 PM   #3
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thanks for letting us know king,

anyone else had any problems at any other hotels?
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Old 04-04-2010, 06:24 PM   #4
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maybe if he wasnt retarded he wouldnt have gotten arrested
I totally agree, I've already told him how stupid he is. He was pretty high and really tired from lack of sleep, but that wasn't the point of the thread. The point was just to put a warning out there that security can come into your room even if you don't give them permission, search said room and your personal property and have you arrested.
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Old 04-04-2010, 06:28 PM   #5
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Re: Just a warning about smoking weed in a room

Shouldn't the title of the thread be, "Don't Piss Off the Bellman by Calling Him Twice and Not Tipping?"

I'm sure if your friend gave him $10 each time, you could call him every 15 minutes and he'd never call security.
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Old 04-04-2010, 06:40 PM   #6
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Your friend just needs to get a competent lawyer who will have all of the evidence thrown out of court and the case dismissed. This is a pretty blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment, which pertains to any location where an individual expects a right to privacy, including a hotel room. There has been plenty of case law on this matter for over 50 years. Here is but one example that is clearly on point:

http://supreme.justia.com/us/333/10/case.html

And here is a more recent case from the State of Washington:

http://www.aclu-wa.org/detail.cfm?id=654
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Old 04-04-2010, 06:41 PM   #7
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Shouldn't the title of the thread be, "Don't Piss Off the Bellman by Calling Him Twice and Not Tipping?"

I'm sure if your friend gave him $10 each time, you could call him every 15 minutes and he'd never call security.
Hahaha nice, I told my friend the same exact thing. If he would have at least tipped the guy he wouldnt have gotten the felony or the 10k bail! But who knows, he said the security guys were really giddy when they found the other stuff in his room, in his words "Like little ****ing girls". Just be careful clouding out the room. Who knows, maybe they get a bonus for getting someone busted on property with drugs.
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Old 04-04-2010, 06:42 PM   #8
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maybe if he wasnt retarded he wouldnt have gotten arrested
this about sums it up.
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Old 04-04-2010, 06:42 PM   #9
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I think they do. I'm pretty sure they get like $100 dollars or something. It's the same as if they bust someone who is on the "do not admit" list or has joined the voluntary exclusion program. I work at a casino and thats how they do it here.
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Old 04-04-2010, 06:50 PM   #10
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Your friend just needs to get a competent lawyer who will have all of the evidence thrown out of court and the case dismissed. This is a pretty blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment, which pertains to any location where an individual expects a right to privacy, including a hotel room. There has been plenty of case law on this matter for over 50 years. Here is but one example that is clearly on point:

http://supreme.justia.com/us/333/10/case.html

And here is a more recent case from the State of Washington:

http://www.aclu-wa.org/detail.cfm?id=654
Thanks for the links MMOB, I read them and will print them out for him. He does have a very good lawyer from his previous arrest. Like I said he's not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but I can't believe they actually came in his room and searched all his **** after he told them no.
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Old 04-04-2010, 07:12 PM   #11
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i doubt your friend would have got caught if he didnt keep bugging the bellman
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Old 04-04-2010, 07:28 PM   #12
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if they touched his things when he said not to touch his things (assuming they didn't request he remove his things from their property before touching it and he refused) then they most certainly violated multiple laws.


actually, if they were police officers moonlighting as security guards, then they actually can go through your backpack when they smell weed coming from it, because a police officer is never really off-duty.

but i assume these are just hired guards without any real jurisdiction and if that's the case, then they definitely cannot touch you or your stuff without your expressed permission.
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Old 04-04-2010, 07:36 PM   #13
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actually, if they were police officers moonlighting as security guards, then they actually can go through your backpack when they smell weed coming from it, because a police officer is never really off-duty.
No, they can't.

At least not without first obtaining a warrant.
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Old 04-04-2010, 07:41 PM   #14
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So just a warning to everyone on here thats comin to Vegas, if your gonna smoke in your room make sure you use the towels under the door and do not call for bag assistance.
I think your warning is really not to piss off the bellman.

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Old 04-04-2010, 07:51 PM   #15
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if they touched his things when he said not to touch his things (assuming they didn't request he remove his things from their property before touching it and he refused) then they most certainly violated multiple laws.


actually, if they were police officers moonlighting as security guards, then they actually can go through your backpack when they smell weed coming from it, because a police officer is never really off-duty.

but i assume these are just hired guards without any real jurisdiction and if that's the case, then they definitely cannot touch you or your stuff without your expressed permission.
The weed smell was totally permeating the room, I was up there earlier and actually said something to him about it.

He told them not to come in, and he told me they said "well were not really asking, since it's private property were coming in". I can guarantee that my friend did not give them permission to search. He said there were 5 security guards, 2 big monsters blocking the door and the other 3 were looking through his ****. They found some things in the desk drawer, then they found a lot more in his bag. Then they called Metro.

No warrant was ever obtained or presented to my friend. He also got 86'd from the property, they packed up all the bags and after I picked him up at CCDC he went back and got his bags back.
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Thanks for the links MMOB, I read them and will print them out for him. He does have a very good lawyer from his previous arrest. Like I said he's not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but I can't believe they actually came in his room and searched all his **** after he told them no.
It isn't as clean as this because it was hotel security, not the police that entered first. It is entirely possible in the fine print of the registration that your friend gave the hotel and/or the police the right to enter the room without further permission when he signed his name to get the room key. Case #1 dates to 1948 and Case #2 was that they couldn't go through the registration list looking for people with warrants.

FWIW, NV is reasonably relaxed about possession, so your friend may have had a bit more than "personal use" quantities to get a felony charge.
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Old 04-04-2010, 10:31 PM   #17
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Your friend just needs to get a competent lawyer who will have all of the evidence thrown out of court and the case dismissed. This is a pretty blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment, which pertains to any location where an individual expects a right to privacy, including a hotel room. There has been plenty of case law on this matter for over 50 years. Here is but one example that is clearly on point:

http://supreme.justia.com/us/333/10/case.html

And here is a more recent case from the State of Washington:

http://www.aclu-wa.org/detail.cfm?id=654
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The Courtís opinion agreed with a friend-of-the-court brief filed by the ACLU of Washington, which argued that searching hotel registries without suspicion of a crime violates the privacy guarantees of the Washington Constitution.
Forgetting that the linked case was in Washington and OP is talking about Nevada, the hotel guests called the bellman up to the room. If the room was clouded up, there most certainly was suspicion of a crime. When the police were called, no doubt they were informed of the bellman's observations.

In the Supreme Court link:

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There are exceptional circumstances in which, on balancing the need for effective law enforcement against the

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right of privacy, it may be contended that a magistrate's warrant for search may be dispensed with. But this is not such a case. No reason is offered for not obtaining a search warrant except the inconvenience to the officers and some slight delay necessary to prepare papers and present the evidence to a magistrate. These are never very convincing reasons and, in these circumstances, certainly are not enough to bypass the constitutional requirement. No suspect was fleeing or likely to take flight.
The people were checking out of the hotel. They were probably about to "take flight" at the airport.
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Old 04-04-2010, 10:46 PM   #18
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It isn't as clean as this because it was hotel security, not the police that entered first. It is entirely possible in the fine print of the registration that your friend gave the hotel and/or the police the right to enter the room without further permission when he signed his name to get the room key. Case #1 dates to 1948 and Case #2 was that they couldn't go through the registration list looking for people with warrants.

FWIW, NV is reasonably relaxed about possession, so your friend may have had a bit more than "personal use" quantities to get a felony charge.
He never signed into the hotel, I did. I also did not know the amount of stuff he had there cause I didnt search his stuff.

He definitely had A LOT more then personal use in the room. He got a trafficking charge.

I just can't believe that they searched through his **** in the hotel room and then called the police.
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Old 04-04-2010, 11:23 PM   #19
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He never signed into the hotel, I did. ...
Wow, dude. What if this guy, like, told the cops it was your weed, and that, like, he was just your guest, and didn't know about the weed? Could be bad for you, man.
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Re: Just a warning about smoking weed in a room

thread makes me ashamed to be a smoker tbh
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Your friend just needs to get a competent lawyer who will have all of the evidence thrown out of court and the case dismissed. This is a pretty blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment, which pertains to any location where an individual expects a right to privacy, including a hotel room. There has been plenty of case law on this matter for over 50 years. Here is but one example that is clearly on point:

http://supreme.justia.com/us/333/10/case.html

And here is a more recent case from the State of Washington:

http://www.aclu-wa.org/detail.cfm?id=654
Absolutely not true. 4th Amendment only applies to the government, sounds like these security guards work for the hotel. Secondly, even if were the police, they had probable cause to search the room because they could smell it. Obviously, his friend should get a lawyer, but your information is not accurate.
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Old 04-05-2010, 01:58 AM   #22
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Okay, I have lived in las vegas for 13 months and have stayed on the strip around 12-15 times (i have 2 duis and wont drink and drive anymore... but i love to party...). I've stayed at prob 8 different hotels and have smoked weed in them all. It's obviously a lot better if you ask for a smoking room. I've done it in none smoking, too and never heard a peep. Then again, I didn't call the bell hop to smell the room right after we just got high...

OP: Sounds like they kind of asked for it. I've never even had security called on my groups and we've been pretty belligerent. Maybe get some febreze
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Old 04-05-2010, 02:05 AM   #23
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I used to smoke a bundle of weed but I quit. I didn't quit because I had to, it just killed all my drive for anything. That said still I am a big proponent of legalizing the devils lettuce. I think it is far less dangerous than alcohol...blah blah blah...that argument. Getting that little preface out of the way I just wanted to chime in and say dumb ass. SMFH, for crying out loud. Hope he finds a way out of the major charges but if he doesn't, well, he sure didn't try that hard to avoid them.
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Absolutely not true. 4th Amendment only applies to the government, sounds like these security guards work for the hotel. Secondly, even if were the police, they had probable cause to search the room because they could smell it. Obviously, his friend should get a lawyer, but your information is not accurate.

This is correct. Anyone else ITT who says differently is completely, 100% wrong and practicing internet lawyering. 4th amendment protects you from the government entering the room, not the owner of the room. The Venetian security can do what they want, present the evidence, and it's all legit.
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