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Vegas Vlog thread (Trooper et all) Vegas Vlog thread (Trooper et all)

07-03-2016 , 09:52 PM
If Trooper started promoting his Patreon account more often, people would accuse him of begging for money again. SEVERAL people were bitching when he first started it and accused him of being a beggar.

I thought he started it to give viewers an easy way to donate without needing to go up to him in person and stick $20 bills in his face and say "Please take it." Also people kept asking him to start something like that so he could accept money from fans.

Seems like a bunch of people want him to ask for and accept all the money he can and several others think he should not ask for any money in any way and think he is a beggar if he does.
07-03-2016 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
If Trooper started promoting his Patreon account more often, people would accuse him of begging for money again. SEVERAL people were bitching when he first started it and accused him of being a beggar.



I thought he started it to give viewers an easy way to donate without needing to go up to him in person and stick $20 bills in his face and say "Please take it." Also people kept asking him to start something like that so he could accept money from fans.



Seems like a bunch of people want him to ask for and accept all the money he can and several others think he should not ask for any money in any way and think he is a beggar if he does.


I mean Steve, if he's going to be emotionally tilted by a couple of idiots who obviously don't want him to succeed to the point where he is making poor business decisions vs being motivated by those that do support him to whatever level that may be - isn't that a huge issue/leak that can bleed into poker and/or life decisions?

This reminds me of Marty McFly being called chicken. All it takes is one or two people saying the right thing/pushing the right button and he's tilted and making poor choices.
07-03-2016 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Natamus
I mean Steve, if he's going to be emotionally tilted by a couple of idiots who obviously don't want him to succeed to the point where he is making poor business decisions vs being motivated by those that do support him to whatever level that may be - isn't that a huge issue/leak that can bleed into poker and/or life decisions?

This reminds me of Marty McFly being called chicken. All it takes is one or two people saying the right thing/pushing the right button and he's tilted and making poor choices.
I don't remember it being just a couple of trolls though. I was surprised at how many people were complaining. I'm talking about both here and on Youtube.

And yeah he shouldn't listen to the people who call him a beggar.

I have no idea if this has anything to do with his poker but he had his best poker results in Vegas when he had hundreds of subscribers instead of thousands and was taking a lot less criticism. But that is total speculation on my part. I remember him mentioning his confidence being affected once but that's it.

Last edited by Steve00007; 07-03-2016 at 11:02 PM.
07-03-2016 , 10:52 PM
I wonder how well Trooper is playing compared to when he first came to Vegas. He didn't really have a roll then but he built it up to something like $8k, quit the job and tried playing for a living.

In a recent video he mentioned being down $1k in a 1-2 NL session before winning half of it back and I was really curious about how he was down that much. Wish I could see what was going on at the table because that's not really something that will be covered in a vlog obviously.

It would also be fascinating to hear more of his thoughts on what he thinks it takes to beat 1-2 NL. I'm curious what squid face, pure aggression and others said when they talked to him.
07-03-2016 , 11:38 PM
Steve,

You have to admit his inability to discuss hands on his vids in a complex manner shows a lack of both understanding and initiative. If you're trying to be good enough at something to make it your livelihood then you have to get in there and put in the work. That means studying, reading, learning, discussing, and putting yourself out there enough to accept failure and to learn from it. Not to just go through the motions and say "I lost with Aces or Kings" yada yada and blame losses on the cards one way or another. There should be no excuse about consistently losing. Variance is a **** at times, but over a two year period one needs to take a step back to reevaluate and say hey, why am I not improving at this? Why am I not winning???

Just having one poker rabbi to bounce hands off of is not enough. There needs to be more initiative to win. And if that initiative is not there, don't claim every game to be soft. Every player to be horrible except the hero. And don't claim to be able to beat a game you're clearly not beating.
07-04-2016 , 02:30 AM
Wow you guys are still talking about same **** I can see nothing has changed, stopped watching the vids too anything happening?
07-04-2016 , 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
I wonder how well Trooper is playing compared to when he first came to Vegas. He didn't really have a roll then but he built it up to something like $8k, quit the job and tried playing for a living.

In a recent video he mentioned being down $1k in a 1-2 NL session before winning half of it back and I was really curious about how he was down that much. Wish I could see what was going on at the table because that's not really something that will be covered in a vlog obviously.

It would also be fascinating to hear more of his thoughts on what he thinks it takes to beat 1-2 NL. I'm curious what squid face, pure aggression and others said when they talked to him.
Not sure why this needs to be rehashed. The Trooper is not a winning 1/2 player...PERIOD. End of discussion. It doesn't appear like he has any intention of becoming a winning player. I hope he is at peace with this decision and I don't see any reason we should continue to discuss the obvious.
07-04-2016 , 03:12 AM
83. Eightythree. 8 effing 3.

In March I moved in with my girlfriend and her 4 kids and my YouTube time has been non-existent. They were all gone this weekend...just me and the dog...and I watched 83 Trooper Vlogs to get caught up. WTF is wrong with me??

In my defense, I watched about half of them on the TV by the pool while catching some rays and drinking beer, but still.

I have issues.
07-04-2016 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Not sure why this needs to be rehashed. The Trooper is not a winning 1/2 player...PERIOD. End of discussion. It doesn't appear like he has any intention of becoming a winning player. I hope he is at peace with this decision and I don't see any reason we should continue to discuss the obvious.
I didn't say anything about how good he was. The average reg at 1-2 NL will often be happy to share his thoughts on how to beat the game, even if he sucks and doesn't beat it.

Also calling someone a winning player at 1-2 NL isn't saying much. To use an example, if someone is beating the game for $5 an hour or less in the long run and has been playing for years, that person is obviously putting very little effort away from the table and is going to have some major leaks. I suspect that what you really mean is he doesn't beat the game for anything like around $7-$20 an hour. $7 an hour sounds like a joke but with a really nitty style and limited swings it's a lot better than how a lot of other players do, even if it sounds super boring and frustrating.
07-04-2016 , 03:44 AM
Being a winning player is saying a lot. The vast majority of players at the 1/2 level are losing players due to the prohibitive rake and the fact that most good players move up in level. It's quite likely that many of the nitty players you think are making $7/hr are actually losing players.

And no what I meant is that he is not a winning player. Nowhere close to being a winning player regardless of his aptitude. This is pretty clear.
07-04-2016 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Being a winning player is saying a lot. The vast majority of players at the 1/2 level are losing players due to the prohibitive rake and the fact that most good players move up in level. It's quite likely that many of the nitty players you think are making $7/hr are actually losing players.

And no what I meant is that he is not a winning player. Nowhere close to being a winning player regardless of his aptitude. This is pretty clear.
If most good players move up then that would make 1-2 NL easier though. You're not going to play against as many winners when that happens. I don't think being a winner making $4 an hour at 1-2 NL is saying a lot when the game is filled with poor players making mistake after mistake. It shouldn't take much to sit down and be the best player at almost any 1-2 NL table that you play at. 1-2 NL games are the easiest games to beat in Vegas.

I actually don't think many of the nitty 1-2 NL players make $7 an hour. The ones that do will play much better than the typical 1-2 nit.
07-04-2016 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by HowdyThere
Dude lol. It's not like 2+2 is chasing Trooper around Vegas and demanding that he takes our advice. He's the one making daily vlogs about the monotony of his daily life and posting them. When you release public content on the internet, you are asking for input. Don't want any input? Cool, don't release any content.
now that's an interesting statement. i'm not sure i agree. i'm not sure i disagree either but i could definitely see people taking issue with the concept of "releasing content on the internet automatically enters the content provider into an implied contract whereby he/she is asking for input"

couldn't it be the case that the content provider simply wants to provide entertainment and be compensated for that entertainment (eventually/in some small way for most of 'em)? in this case nobody's looking for input, nevermind criticism.
07-04-2016 , 11:11 AM
There's one thing to say all the players are terrible and you are a winning player but it's a completely different thing to execute on that.

It's hard for me to relate since i was already beating online poker before i ever started playing live and it may be hard for you to relate since you have been beating the game for a long time now. I agree that beating 1/2 is not rocket science.
07-04-2016 , 11:52 AM
Some workers in the US don't make $7 an hour. If you can achieve that goal by doing something that you love all day long, I don't see any shame in that whatsoever. If you happen to entertain a few thousand people while you're doing it, I think that's cool too. And if your videos can get the trolls worked up..... even better!

You need thick skin to do what the Troop is doing.
You need need very thin skin to troll anonymously.
07-04-2016 , 11:53 AM
Ilikevegas..... .

Still waiting on that link.


Thanks again!
07-04-2016 , 12:39 PM
Could this be a simple case of stubbornness or being set in his ways.

In that he has a goal and a path to reach that goal. And nothing or no one will tell him otherwise.

Many guys are not open to outside input/advice. I know a few that view advice or accepting mentoring as weakness.

The provider always seems to start the videos fairly positive and ends them mostly in some state of frustration.

I don't know anyone who is successful that doesn't know how to adapt.


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07-04-2016 , 04:47 PM
07-04-2016 , 05:42 PM
He didn't even make it a minute into this video without swearing. I thought he was going to stop? :P
07-04-2016 , 08:58 PM
That AQ hand was horrendous. He couldn't have played it any worse. Why does he not consider Villain with AJ, KJ. I'm not sure if he did, and/or just trying to push him off that hand, or if he never considers hand ranges at all. What a horrible river check raise. Click the fold button and move on.
If he wanted to make a move, then he needs to do it on the turn. Not when the J lands on the river.
07-04-2016 , 09:23 PM
This is why he doesn't talk strategy, every time he mentions a hand we have guys like his numb nutts being result oriented. He made a move and was wrong, I'm sure all of your moves are pure genius
07-04-2016 , 09:27 PM
I think it's one of the most interesting hands so far. Not saying how well it was played. I just think it's interesting. Definitely way more interesting than bad beat hands.
07-04-2016 , 09:51 PM
It's JD from Dallas Troop! Nice to see you and the wife still says Nah Nah Nah Naaaah!
07-04-2016 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by CreamOfTheCrop
Wow you guys are still talking about same **** I can see nothing has changed, stopped watching the vids too anything happening?
I have stopped watching them as well. Although I do stop by to check in and see if anything interesting has happened. Sadly nothing has
07-04-2016 , 11:53 PM
Limp/calling AQ OOP is just inexcusablly bad, not exploitive and damn sure ain't GTO.
07-05-2016 , 12:33 AM
Trooper, get a checking account fer crying out loud. Chase is free if you do payroll direct deposit. Then you can pay bills online, write your own checks, etc.

      
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